Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Calyanare]

how does it extend your time??? give proof because ive explained to you how it doesnt...

Your argument would be valid if you were the only tank queueing. I know you like to feel important, but let's face it, you're not the only tank queueing. By queueing and withdrawing, you are wasting people's time because they keep getting you when they could be getting someone who will actually join the group and get something done. By the same token, you're not the only one fishing for an in-progress run, either. You may only withdraw 5 or 6 times, but in that time, the first group waiting may have had the queue pop up 20 times. It's not just about you, it's the fact that a lot of tanks are doing the same thing, that wastes people's time.

I promise you that your wait time is not inflated because of someone withdrawing. You would still be waiting for a tank to fill that last spot anyways. If there was enough tanks queueing to fill your group you wouldnt get the same guy withdrawing over and over.

Here, I'll use short, simple sentences: It's quite clearly not the same guy; it happens way too fast. It's pretty obviously a lot of guys doing this at the same time, most of the time. It does indeed inflate wait times, because it is a popular activity. Please look beyond yourself and have some consideration for other people.

[Sove92]

are you dense? my withdraws do not waste their time. IF i do not queue at all YOU Would STILL BE WAITING for a tank queue. do you not understand that. the only thing my withdraws do its make you excited for a pop up.... Thats it.

There are many earlier posts explaining why you are wrong, and you missed an important one.

[KrenianKandos]

I agree that it's annoying and I Main a PLD and dealing with that stuff can be frustrating.

But the most I ever had to deal with was maybe a five minute queue and a few of those before it finally goes in. Also, 3 day ban is incredibly excessive and I think you're honestly talking out of passion instead of reason, OP. I do like 2 free withdraws and the third one locks you out for a half hour. Another alternative is put another queue for those who check that box and have them stay in there until a group is made. They'll get a longer queue and have to wait for something to open up honestly.

And to those who say "I don't have time to play, I want to get what I can and I should be allowed to do this"...That is probably the most selfish answer I could read. If you don't have a time to do a run...DON'T DO A RUN. Concept? Yep. Mind Blowing.

[Dark-Saviour]

I've jokingly said before that after repeated withdrawals, they should dump you into a dungeon with 23 AI characters that do nothing but run in circles emoting, but at the very least, dumping you into an empty, unjoinable dungeon AND making you eat the penalty if you leave it could be good...

[Sub-Xero]

If they implement a penalty people will just stop withdrawing and wait out the 45 seconds. I guess they could start punishing people that don't accept their queue as well?...

[KrenianKandos]

If they implement a penalty people will just stop withdrawing and wait out the 45 seconds. I guess they could start punishing people that don't accept their queue as well?...

I have no issues putting the penalty to people who miss the queue after 45 seconds. In fact, I rather deal with immediate withdraw instead of 45 seconds of DPS AFKing because they're bored waiting for the queue. It actually aggravates me even more than the withdraw discussion.

If you don't have the patience to wait a bit for a run and just afk, then just don't bother. I know it sucks for DPS but honestly, the DD class can go do other things. IN fact, just queue up while you do dailies or hunt a map or craft or whatever. Just do something!

[MikoteAstra]

I have no issues putting the penalty to people who miss the queue after 45 seconds. In fact, I rather deal with immediate withdraw instead of 45 seconds of DPS AFKing because they're bored waiting for the queue. It actually aggravates me even more than the withdraw discussion.

If you don't have the patience to wait a bit for a run and just afk, then just don't bother. I know it sucks for DPS but honestly, the DD class can go do other things. IN fact, just queue up while you do dailies or hunt a map or craft or whatever. Just do something!

And here is the thing, i cant do all the things you mention when i queue ! All 10 sec i get the massage that i can go in the duty dn but then it begins with withdraw ! Let me see you how you craft or farm matirials or do questing ! And as DPS if you miss to enter you wait again from 45min to 90-120 min depends on the dn !

And all this because some idiots !!!

[KrenianKandos]

And here is the thing, i cant do all the things you mention when i queue ! All 10 sec i get the massage that i can go in the duty dn but then it begins with withdraw ! Let me see you how you craft or farm matirials or do questing ! And as DPS if you miss the to enter you wait again from 45min to 90-120 min depends on the dn !

And all this because some idiots !!!

I completely agree with you. That's why I'm FOR a "3 strikes and you're out for a bit" penalty.

Is the Join in Progress option being abused? Absolutely.

Should the person be banned for using the feature? No. That's passion overriding everyone's reason right now. I get that it frustrates you. I know if I was in your position, it would piss me off too. But to ban someone because a feature in a game is implemented and people are using it to benefit them is harsh. Should they be punished for causing simple and annoying problems? Yes. But not a ban. I completely disagree with that stance.

[MikoteAstra]

I completely agree with you. That's why I'm FOR a "3 strikes and you're out for a bit" penalty.

Is the Join in Progress option being abused? Absolutely.

Should the person be banned for using the feature? No. That's passion overriding everyone's reason right now. I get that it frustrates you. I know if I was in your position, it would piss me off too. But to ban someone because a feature in a game is implemented and people are using it to benefit them is harsh. Should they be punished for causing simple and annoying problems? Yes. But not a ban. I completely disagree with that stance.

I agree with you!

But i do wonder if this 30min penalty will be enough! We have it now for leaving a dn in progress, yet in CT once people get the loot they wanted they are simply gone!

Im for harder penaltys so that people once and for all get it! Maybe 12h penalty !

[Aegis]

But to ban someone because a feature in a game is implemented and people are using it to benefit them is harsh.

That checkbox is there to say 'I am open to doing in progress runs also' There is no option to do them only.

Would you apply the same logic to a premade kicking a PUG tank when tank gear drops? The kick feature is in game and people are using it to benefit themselves. The difference is, we can report them, we cannot report the anonymous tank that drops and inconveniences others.

Because there's no way to join in-progress only, just a flag that puts you in both fresh and in-progress queues. If there was an "in-progress only" queue all the tanks would just use that all the time and nobody would get into dungeons ever.

Well, if they weren't getting into any dungeons ever, they would move over to the other queue, no?