Your last few post did come off as a little all over the place to me, but saying you were flailing so much wasn't very nice and I'm sorry for saying that.

Well nothing is going to change your argument, like mine, we've just got a fundamental disconnect. You think right and wrong stops existing on the Internet(Or just MMOs?), I don't! Having a function to delete items or break it down into seals does not imply that's a proper reason to roll need on it. You and I won't ever agree. You just don't see how laden with context and history Need before Greed is, you view it in a vacuum and it leads you to this place where the only real wrong thing is exploiting.

I guess you probably hit on the most fundamental difference between you and I in your above post, and I can't believe I didn't realize it. You don't think it's your game. Certainly we don't own the servers but we are the community that gives it life, we are the animus that springs it to life. So of course it matters what we think is right and wrong. I've always felt ownership when I've played an MMO, I'm not paying a monthly fee to be a stranger to the world, I'm paying that fee to be a part of it. If you don't feel ownership or investment in the world it's only natural we can't find a common ground.