"Need" should check ilevel

[Worm]

100% agree. I was merely trying to provide an example of why not rolling NEED is better for the group. I would hope that could then extrapolated to apply to the community as a whole. Perhaps I am wrong in this, or I should find a better example.

I mean I really don't know that we have to prove benefit, it's nice to be important, but important to be nice. However even behavior in DF does improve the community, if you can do nice things, explain fights, be social, be friendly those people are generally going to probably be more likely to behave in that way. I guess I understand the line of thinking where you can't possibly make things better, so there's no reason to try. Though I tend to feel people leave a positive group happier than they went in, so it doesn't matter if you improve the community really, as long as you and everyone else is leaving a little happier.

In all honesty, I'm on your side in this, the person that would have a greater benefit from a drop should get it. I have yet to get every piece of the Infantry set or the Foestriker set for this very reason.

Ah sorry if I was too harsh, you just steered me in the right direction and I really wanted to hammer it in. I understand what you're saying about the Foestriker I actually got lucky and got quite a bit of it while I was new to the game. I don't really have an experience of having this limitation while low level vanity hunting since I generally would solo dungeons in WoW. Maybe just try asking the group before the run begins or something like that? I can understand even feeling weird doing that though.

Hmm... Guess I'm just oldschool in thinking here that you only Need if it is an improvement for the class you're playing at the moment.

I just have to accept I don't understand the new school.

[ispano]

I just have to accept I don't understand the new school.

It's more of a refusal to understand. Not having the ability to understand is usually caused by mental deficiencies or not having knowledge of the particular subject(Usually complex subjects however). You place a certain priority on certain things, and if someone else has different priorities, you claim you can't understand because it's not the same as your priorities. You disagree, but use the phrase "I don't understand" which tries(Even if you don't realize it) to make the other person's view look worse than yours.

People all want the item for various reasons. If the person can roll need, they have the right to roll need. Disagree or not, dislike or not, that's how the system works.