"Need" should check ilevel

[Sylari]

Kind of obnoxious to see a warrior axe drop from Ifrit only to see someone with dual haken take it over the guy using a GC weapon. Or seeing someone in AF2 snatch out a piece of CT gear over someone in darklight or AK gear "for their vanity set".

[ispano]

Kind of obnoxious to see a warrior axe drop from Ifrit only to see someone with dual haken take it over the guy using a GC weapon. Or seeing someone in AF2 snatch out a piece of CT gear over someone in darklight or AK gear "for their vanity set".

For the CT quote, SE even mentioned Vanity when they talked about it, so you're not going to get much help on that end. Some people place vanity higher than stats, they don't have any less right to the item.

[bardaboo]

What's next... Greed should check players job lvls so someone with a lvl 1 marauder cant greed over someone with a 45 war? It's just something you have to deal with

[Rufalus]

I understand the reasoning but it might feel like players with a high item level are being punished and make it very difficult for them to obtain any further loot. The players with a lower level can still gather tomes to increase theirs while loot remains random.

[Sylari]

Some people place vanity higher than stats, they don't have any less right to the item.

Right. So they can greed on it like everyone else. Rolling on an item you don't directly need to use for some other purpose is kind of what the whole need vs greed dichotomy supposedly means in the first place.

I understand the reasoning but it might feel like players with a high item level are being punished and make it very difficult for them to obtain any further loot. The players with a lower level can still gather tomes to increase theirs while loot remains random.

I don't really see how it's a punishment to say "Hey, maybe that guy who just hit 50 should get that level 60 weapon over the guy who will stick it on his retainer and never ever use it on any serious content".
[QUOTE=bardaboo;1781399]What's next... Greed should check players job lvls so someone with a lvl 1 marauder cant greed over someone with a 45 war?
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No, because that's a false equivocation. The whole point of greed is exactly for that

It's just something you have to deal with

That doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[davidwbean]

Yes its annoying yes it sucks I've lost rolls on things I could have used but its universally fair based off chance.
This though every fresh first timer with minimal gear can walk in and automatically get an item the over-geared player up to this point has been tirelessly farming for?
I happen to have my zenith weapon but have been doing moogle fights for a SMN book (along with titan HM) but i guess the countless hours I've put in don't matter anyways because I've continued to progress and improve my character?
but lets say they did now i queue up for GKM notice the other SMN is equipped with say just a GC weapon, I think well if it drops he wins automatically so >>open duty finder >>> leave.

[ispano]

Right. So they can greed on it like everyone else. Rolling on an item you don't directly need to use for some other purpose is kind of what the whole need vs greed dichotomy supposedly means in the first place.

Wrong. You're basically putting one person's need for stats over another person's need for vanity. If they can both need, they are free to do so. What you feel is more important, especially this not being a premade, doesn't apply.

[Sylari]

Wrong. You're basically putting one person's need for stats over another person's need for vanity.

Well yes, of course I am. One of the two is a tangible, physical benefit and barrier to progression and the other is a frivolous desire.

edit: I'm going to bed tonight, thank you all for your insight on the topic! Will check back later.

[ispano]

Well yes, of course I am. One of the two is a tangible, physical benefit and barrier to progression and the other is a frivolous desire.

edit: I'm going to bed tonight, thank you all for your insight on the topic! Will check back later.

Nah, because you only look at it from your point of view. You see the game for progression purposes. That doesn't mean everyone does, nor does it make YOU right. Both have a right to roll, period.

[Espon]

Most people in CT aren't there just to help random people get loot, they're there to get a particular item for themselves, even if it is just for vanity. What would be the point in even trying to get a complete set if you'll never win over someone who has a lower item level than you?