Summoner / Scholar, In Math and Practice

[SokoSplat]

@Sol_Aureus:
Sure :P.
@T0rin (again heh):
I don't cast, I just turn off/on depending on when I need it to fire off (rarely manually cast, I should say).
Also, loaded up that parser
nearly identical in both stats. bounced between 59-62 depending on dummies (used l50 dummies with aerial slash burning on CD to hit all 3.
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/ruda_sic.jpg
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/ruda_obey.jpg
If you want to hop on hyperion I can have you see the parses yourself. Reset their stats and ran each one up to 30k and received nearly identical results.

[T0rin]

@T0rin:
What ilevel is your gear? (if you're around 85-90 then it'd be within the range mentioned earlier with the +10 from 64).

i89. Missing pants, have i95 book.

I just went to coerthas and started hitting the left side dummies, no contagion casts there either (was in MD killing gigas, lightnings, snakes). If I drop a bio 1 on it then it casts a few seconds (between 1-3 wind blades).
Anyone else have agro on it maybe? (Also, was shockwave casting at all?)
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/castplz.jpg

No one else was hitting the dummy. Tried level 1 and 50 dummies, both resulted in Contagion being cast. Went outside Whitebrim and tested on Ice Sprites, was casting Contagion there as well.

As for stopping casting, I just bind to g (sic) and shift +g (obey), if I need to run to dodge, sprint(f)[makes me laugh every time I type it] and pet obey are within the same hand gesture. The timing doesn't have to line up 100% (15 sec is 15 sec regardless of if the dot is at 3 seconds or full cast) as long as all the dots are on it (at least in my mind).

@T0rin (again heh):
I don't cast, I just turn off/on depending on when I need it to fire off (rarely manually cast, I should say).
Also, loaded up that parser
nearly identical in both stats. bounced between 59-62 depending on dummies (used l50 dummies with aerial slash burning on CD to hit all 3.
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/ruda_sic.jpg
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/ruda_obey.jpg
If you want to hop on hyperion I can have you see the parses yourself. Reset their stats and ran each one up to 30k and received nearly identical results.

In your screenshots, I see 12.5k and 6.2k (Obey and Sic respectively) of damage being parsed, and the crit rates on the Obey parse were significantly less. You should run it for long enough that those crit rates level out for both parses. Also, since we're talking about ST damage output, you shouldn't be parsing in a scenario where Aerial Slash is hitting multiple dummies at once.

[Shamirah]

I can confirm at 10000000% that Garuda casts contagion even though there are no dots (which is dumb btw, but IDC since I don't let her on sic)

[Sol_Aureus]

Soko where are you D:

I can't perform this test without you here.

[SokoSplat]

Result of Sol Aureus / Soko test:
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/sol_aureus.jpg
the DPS #'s decreased over time, but at time of finishing it was final tally: 101 (aureus), 80 (soko), 37 (garuda) or: 138 v 80. (58%) in SMN v. SCH. Sol matched his ilevel as close as possible.

[T0rin]

Result of Sol Aureus / Soko test:
http://sollabs.net/media/xiv/sol_aureus.jpg
the DPS #'s decreased over time, but at time of finishing it was final tally: 101 (aureus), 80 (soko), 37 (garuda) or: 138 v 80. (58%) in SMN v. SCH. Sol matched his ilevel as close as possible.

So he did 138 dps as SMN, and you did 80 dps as SCH?

[Sol_Aureus]

Test complete!

Unfortunately since it took a while before we got started, I was in the middle of doing primal EX runs for the week so I only had a chance to do 1 round. We spent 3 minutes attacking the Striking Dummy at Summerford Farms. Here's ACT's parse data:

My Damage (SMN):



Soko's Damage (SCH):

[Seobit]

I just think it's funny your top two damage skills were wind blade and fester.

[SokoSplat]

Sol Aureus and I got around to our next round of testing:
using similar rotations, Sols ACN was at 182(DPS), his SMN did 207 (DPS) (including pet) at roughly ilevel 60 (when we were doing our tests we had some gear conflicts so we went without helm to best match up both stats).
Then for giggles, he threw on his il90 gear and showed me max potential.

I will resign both SCH and ACN vs SMN debates for myself. SCH -> smn is pretty close, but the extra 40-60 dps from the pet pushes it over. ACN is much closer but still a little bit off. Maybe it's the rotation, I dunno. for now, I think I've looked into it enough to satisfy my curiosity.

Interesting note, in his full il90 gear Sol's garuda peaked at 94DPS after spur+rouse was used.

Thanks Sol!!!!!

[Maku]

Sol Aureus and I got around to our next round of testing:
using similar rotations, Sols ACN was at 182(DPS), his SMN did 207 (DPS) (including pet) at roughly ilevel 60 (when we were doing our tests we had some gear conflicts so we went without helm to best match up both stats).
Then for giggles, he threw on his il90 gear and showed me max potential.

I will resign both SCH and ACN vs SMN debates for myself. SCH -> smn is pretty close, but the extra 40-60 dps from the pet pushes it over. ACN is much closer but still a little bit off. Maybe it's the rotation, I dunno. for now, I think I've looked into it enough to satisfy my curiosity.

Interesting note, in his full il90 gear Sol's garuda peaked at 94DPS after spur+rouse was used.

Thanks Sol!!!!!

The damage on a dummy may bis similar if you exclude SMN pet but it doesn't matter at all because the lack of Accuracy gear for SCH would make their DPS worth nothing in content that actually matters.