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    Eureka Evergarden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    So what are those random auto-attacks that hit me for 50% harder than normal auto-attacks count as?
    Nothing. They don't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    I have reformatted the abilities section to highlight the ability names. I don't like what Griever has done with his formatting though, as empty lines between every ability just seems like so much unneeded bloat. I've also made up some nice tables to match the ones in Griever's PLD guide
    Looks more amazing every time I check it out. Nicely done, mate!

    Adding in some extra stuff to pump it up a bit.

    Resources (in progress atm):
    So you want to tank EX Primals (Tips Section)
    B.L.I.T.Z.B.A.L.L. (Mechanics and Formulas)
    Getting your Relic weapon
    FFXIV Database (xivdb.com)
    Warrior "Macro"oni in Thread
    Making Macros (Reddit)

    Navigation Links to Guide:
    Introduction & Change Log
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    Wrath, Infuriate, & Standard Combos
    Pulling & Rotations
    Macros, Gear, & Stats
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    Last edited by LordTiberiusRex; 01-18-2014 at 01:57 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by CYoung187 View Post
    If you judge all jobs by the people that are bad at them, then they are all mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    [*]The only time you'd want to use Flash is to start the pull in situations where mobs are too spread out for Overpower and you want to spend the Infuriate/ Wrath stacks on something other than Steel Cyclone, such as Inner Beast or Unchained. I find these situations to be rare, but WP Speed Runs and Turn 4 are such examples where you want that Inner Beast for the damage reduction instead of using Steel Cyclone.
    In Titan HM, I suppose you don't repeat it much :-), if you flash before each Mountain Buster, you may dodge 2, 3 or more if the fight lasts long enough (it does last if you kill him.) This makes a difference.
    One thing you are not taking into account is that flash has the blind effect that against some mobs makes it much more likely that you dodge the attacks. It is not just to gain enmity, although we normally use it for that. I think most of us (PLD included) use flash less than it would be ideal, we forget about it except when it is very clear we need it (PLD don't have Overpower so Flash is much more needed.) I am leveling Marauder and I love Overpower a lot.
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    Last edited by JonBigwood; 01-19-2014 at 06:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonBigwood View Post
    One thing you are not taking into account is that flash has the blind effect that against some mobs makes it much more likely that you dodge the attacks.
    Only the GLA/PLD version of Flash has the blind on it. For MRD/WAR, it only provides enmity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    Only the GLA/PLD version of Flash has the blind on it. For MRD/WAR, it only provides enmity.
    I didn't know that. Bad news for me :-)
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    Vactus Serakai
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonBigwood View Post
    I didn't know that. Bad news for me :-)
    Gotta read them traits. It's the only thing I want that GLD/PLD have.
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    Perhaps I skipped over this when I was reading through the guide, but what's the best way to allocate our bonus stats? I guess I'm still stuck in the 2.0 mindset of people arguing over STR vs VIT, but has anything definitive been discovered? If not, I think I'll stick with my +30 STR for the additional damage, enmity, and HP regen from Bloodbath, Inner Beast, and Storm's Path. ...then again, the farthest my tank has gotten is Garuda HM, so I don't know if the additional 30 VIT is particularly necessary.
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    It's in the guide. Vit all the way. It's like the fifth post on the front page and even bolded for easy notice. It says Vit vs Str.
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    Paikis Pryslack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    Perhaps I skipped over this when I was reading through the guide, but what's the best way to allocate our bonus stats? I guess I'm still stuck in the 2.0 mindset of people arguing over STR vs VIT, but has anything definitive been discovered? If not, I think I'll stick with my +30 STR for the additional damage, enmity, and HP regen from Bloodbath, Inner Beast, and Storm's Path. ...then again, the farthest my tank has gotten is Garuda HM, so I don't know if the additional 30 VIT is particularly necessary.
    Here ya go:
    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    STR vs VIT, gearing and minor stats.
    Previous to 2.1, there was much heated debate on the merits of the Gryphonskin set with tanking melds versus just straight up VIT heavy ilevel 90 gear. I was a proponent of the Gryphonskin set and successfully used them to tank everything except Twintania (which you need the extra health for because of Death Sentence). While you had less actual health, you had more mitigation (STR and DEX increases parry) and larger self healing, as well as extra enmity generation and damage. The trade off was well worth it in my (and others') opinion. With 2.1 however, and the large reduction in healing from Inner Beast, the argument is over. 30 Points in VIT is now the only correct choice. Threat generation went from comfortable to laughable and while tank damage is still relevant, the healing provided by the extra damage was cut drastically. As such, if you're tanking, you want the highest ilevel VIT heavy pieces you can get while still maintaining enough accuracy to hit things. You will still want a set of Gryphonskin, but this will only be used on content that you vastly outgear, or if you're going to be off tanking and not taking any large amounts of damage. You can safely skip this set if you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    Perhaps I skipped over this when I was reading through the guide, but what's the best way to allocate our bonus stats? I guess I'm still stuck in the 2.0 mindset of people arguing over STR vs VIT, but has anything definitive been discovered? If not, I think I'll stick with my +30 STR for the additional damage, enmity, and HP regen from Bloodbath, Inner Beast, and Storm's Path. ...then again, the farthest my tank has gotten is Garuda HM, so I don't know if the additional 30 VIT is particularly necessary.
    Sorry but your Defiance tooltip states that it REDUCES DAMAGE and INCREASES HP by 25%, and then some people choose damage over HP.
    Like, srsly u guys.
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