Gonna reach out for some SMN advice

[Balphagor_]

I know how bad this will make me look no doubt, but I want to ask about speciafically how you are supposed to play a Summoner.

Im at 50, so im mostly endgame stuff plus trying out the PVP, but I always feel like I am doing something wrong, and especially on PVP I always have the lowest damage output, only normally a little higher than the healer, which is obviously really bad.

So without stating the obvious that im bad, or a noob or whatever, can anyone please help me out here?

[Archona]

Without going too in depth....for PvE your rotations are:

Single target:
DoTs -> Bane -> Ruin (Ruin II if moving) -> MOAR DoTs!

AOE:
DoTs -> Fester -> Miasma II -> Blizz II

Use Garuda. Make sure you're using your damage cooldowns (Raging Strikes, Rouse). Your DoTs snapshot, so make sure you cast them while under Raging Strikes effect.

[Vinroke]

Without going too in depth....for PvE your rotations are:

Single target:
DoTs -> Bane -> Ruin (Ruin II if moving) -> MOAR DoTs!

AOE:
DoTs -> Fester -> Miasma II -> Blizz II

Use Garuda. Make sure you're using your damage cooldowns (Raging Strikes, Rouse). Your DoTs snapshot, so make sure you cast them while under Raging Strikes effect.

Huh? Fester works much better for single target and Bane is Better for AoE.

OP:As long as your rotation in Bio II, Miasma, Bio you should be fine for DPS. Shadow Flare and Tri-Disaster are great for crowd control but are somewhat situational - you don't want to pull 6-7 mobs off the tank. In PvP you should apply binds after you have all your DoTs up (Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Bane > Swiftcast/Surecast > Tri-Disaster), though I don't PvP so I'm sure I'll get at least one other summoner telling me my rotation is sub-par

[Archona]

Huh? Fester works much better for single target and Bane is Better for AoE.

OP:As long as your rotation in Bio II, Miasma, Bio you should be fine for DPS. Shadow Flare and Tri-Disaster are great for crowd control but are somewhat situational - you don't want to pull 6-7 mobs off the tank. In PvP you should apply binds after you have all your DoTs up (Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Bane > Swiftcast/Surecast > Tri-Disaster), though I don't PvP so I'm sure I'll get at least one other summoner telling my rotation is sub-par

I might just have the names switched in my head >_>

[Balphagor_]

But that is almost identical to what I am doing now, and it just doesnt seem to work. I mean I love playing as a Summoner, but I hate feeling like if I play with any other players that im just letting them down, or holding them back.

[kuikui]

How are you comparing damage? Parser? I just did CT and a guy was parsing. My SMN was at 23k with everyone else up around 30k to 45k. However, when he added in my pets dps, it jumped to 41k, and I was 2nd in overall. Make sure you are taking into account pet damage as well.

[Balphagor_]

I never thought of considering that, but even still I always feel weaker than everyone else. But I at least hadnt thought about the pets damage output, so that is something for me to at least consider.

[Honz]

Not sure if troll, but if you are genuine short answer is your gear.

[Balphagor_]

No im not trolling, im trying to be better at the game if I can, and who knows, it might be my gear.

But I seem to be doing everything the same as people here are saying.

Odd.

[Vinroke]

No im not trolling, im trying to be better at the game if I can, and who knows, it might be my gear.

But I seem to be doing everything the same as people here are saying.

Odd.

What is your current gear? AF? You might want to stick on couple pieces of DL or i60 stuff, haven't tried the other Hard Modes but Copperbell drops good loot if you've only recently got to 50 and has the bonus of having myth tomes (1 more week and I get my i90 SMN doublet)