There shouldn't be a Myth cap because.....

[Zanfire]

part of the damn problem is the fact that they basically hand you a 50. My friends started playing (both with full time jobs) and they both hit cap in a week and a half. They didnt rush, they did fates, quests dungeons..ect. yet they got their so quick. Now on our final week of our sub and we have fricken relics (because they are jokes in this game) and the only thing holding us back from being better geared are the constant lock outs. They developed the game to make it super quick to cap, knowing full well there was next to nothing there and that half the players from 1.0 had multi 50's. "How do we get them to stick around, we know they will eat through the content in couple weeks?" "throw weekly timers on everything! that will make them HAVE to stick around".

They knew the game needed a while to put in a good amount of endgame that would satisfy the kind of people who played games more than a few hours a week, yet they make it so you can casually hit cap in a couple weeks. Thats usually the issue with MMOs post WoW, they are too damn easy/accessible and they make it a joke to hit "end game" when they know full well they dont have much to offer....and they sit there stunned when everyone quits after a few months and they are forced to go F2P. There is a reason older MMO's are STILL up with monthly fees...they didnt treat us all like the lowest common denominator and make everything easy and quick.

[Zanfire]

Ok. If you want to debate what a hardcore player is, then you are not one and obviously missed the point of topic. Either remove the lockout or raise the cap. I can live with not getting anything from Coil if I could get more than one piece of Myth gear every 1-2 weeks.

and there in lies another issue, if they did remove the cap, half the server would have the best gear on all their jobs and have quit literally "beat the game" in a month or 2. The game being designed the WoW style it was in the first place was the major issue. Some days i watch old 1.2x videos and get sad that there was a good game starting there (the combat and endgame/more open world stuff) being built that just needed a few modern touches and a new world/servers and it would have been something i would latched onto for a long time.

[Amyas]

SE is backwarrd people who only play one job are already all lv90 but it take weeks to get lv90.
i play 3 jobs pld, mnk, whm so im going to be left behind.

they just need to add actual content to gain said items like relic quest had something more then a simple drop, not a stupid lazy time buffer to extend how long it takes. time sink =/= content or fun

I play all jobs, with 6 in i70+ and relics, i90 on my main which is war. You don't really get left behind if you play your cards right.
edit: I'd gear your pld first in myth and relic, the rest in DL/primal weps until you feel you can sacrifice some myth for em or farm other high end content for i80/90 gear.

[ROOTFayth]

I would, if I had the Myths to gear it up. Not going to waste my precision Coil loot on a third job.

what do you need these so important coil loot for?
oh right, run coil more... there's nothing past coil T5, don't be in such a hurry, you'll get your stuff eventually... play something else in the meantime?

[ScummyGuy]

and there in lies another issue, if they did remove the cap, half the server would have the best gear on all their jobs and have quit literally "beat the game" in a month or 2. The game being designed the WoW style it was in the first place was the major issue. Some days i watch old 1.2x videos and get sad that there was a good game starting there (the combat and endgame/more open world stuff) being built that just needed a few modern touches and a new world/servers and it would have been something i would latched onto for a long time.

Then there is our answer. Make Coil like CT. One item per week. Still have gear progression, but not able to obtain full myth set in a week.

[Caraway]

How did you folks survive in previous MMOs?

The majority of previous generation MMOs had raid lockout timers and you also had to deal with RNG while playing with 20-30 people all looking for similar drops.

If anything, you can make more guaranteed progress in this game than you can in the vast majority of prior MMOs. Not only that, but now that EX Primals are out you have more options for being able to gear up your characters as well with multiple i90 items.

I do agree that a full week lockout is a bit much, but when you consider that the Coil lockout is for an eight man group it kind of makes sense. You're that much more likely to get an upgrade that week as opposed to in a previous MMO's full raid with a three day lockout.

It's a balancing act and obviously the developers aren't going to be able to satisfy everyone while ensuring the longevity of their game.

Those lockouts have nothing to do with legacy players and entirely with pacing of the end-game so that people don't just cap at each 2.x patch and then leave for a couple of months. Every MMO has this to some effect or another.

[ScummyGuy]

what do you need these so important coil loot for?
oh right, run coil more... there's nothing past coil T5, don't be in such a hurry, you'll get your stuff eventually... play something else in the meantime?

Trying to get those few BiS items from Coil that I need for BRD and MNK?

[ScummyGuy]

Those lockouts have nothing to do with legacy players and entirely with pacing of the end-game so that people don't just cap at each 2.x patch and then leave for a couple of months. Every MMO has this to some effect or another.

It isn't? Oh I must have misread the info from Yoshi when he said that it was set up for casuals to not get left behind.

[ROOTFayth]

What do you NEED these BiS items for??

[ScummyGuy]

What do you NEED these BiS items for??

So I can finish gearing one job and move to the next?