Low DPs in dungeons?

[Warlyx]

Would be nice if there could be a way to measure actual practical skill level of players too, as ilvl tells you nothing about what the player is capable of in practice...
Some sort of solo skill challenges for each job maybe...

like Job quests ?

even blizzard I spaming is more than 80 dps ~~

[Naryoril]

So what is the appropriate thing to do in this situation? also, I think SE has set the 'gear' requirements too low for a lot of content. If you actually to try complete the dungeons as 'bare minimum' gear lvl, it will literally be a miracle unless you have some 4 man premade with all experienced players and perfect teamwork. Try killing Titan Extreme with the "67" gear level SE thinks you need to kill it. Same thing happened earlier in the week on that fight, Titan EX, I DF'd, and we got some bare minimum 3500 HP person who can't even survive the Titan jumps unless you preshield him with a SCH.

i don't look at the minimum requirement as "you can beat the fight with this item level", but rather as "if you don't even have this, don't bother trying, you'll be too much of a liability to everyone else, they will probably not be able to carry you through". the average item level is only a rough guideline imo, especially since every item is weighted the same. a chest piece has the same contribution to the average item level as a ring, even though it has much higher stats. not to mention people can wear stuff that doesn't even fit their class, especially when it come to jewelry.

[Nekodar]

like Job quests ?

even blizzard I spaming is more than 80 dps ~~

Considering the job quests are not particularly challenging, they don't match what I had in mind.
Job quests are intended for you to learn the basics of your job.

The sort of skill challenges I had in mind would be something that requires more than the bare basics to pass.
Maybe make some group content only available to people that pass their respective jobs skill challenges.
Want to go as WHM for that content, pass the skill challenges necessary as WHM, even if you've already done it as SCH before.

[flamds1]

like Job quests ?

even blizzard I spaming is more than 80 dps ~~

yeah thats just weird was he just autoattacking or something? Since you can join up in multiple languages to speed up the queueing process I think at least some of these people may not speak whatever language you're trying to communicate in. Sometimes you try to explain the fight and get a "k" and the person goes on to fight in a completely different manner than they just agreed to. even in very simple fights.

[LordSaviour]

My friends and I were running Garuda HM last night.

And we experienced the same thing. Me being an iLv90 PLD in DPS gear opted to OT for more DPS. The MT didn't understand anything we were telling him with placements etc. No one wanted to leave or kick anyone for fear of being punished.

My friends Parser showed me as #2 on DPS list as a PLD. Was awful... And a waste of time. 30Min penalty for leaving a Duty is rough.

[CYoung187]

My friends and I were running Garuda HM last night.

And we experienced the same thing. Me being an iLv90 PLD in DPS gear opted to OT for more DPS. The MT didn't understand anything we were telling him with placements etc. No one wanted to leave or kick anyone for fear of being punished.

My friends Parser showed me as #2 on DPS list as a PLD. Was awful... And a waste of time. 30Min penalty for leaving a Duty is rough.

Sounds like you could have very easily just taken over as MT and been fine.

[LordSaviour]

not when 3 of the 4 DPS were parsing lower than a PLD, no matter what gear I have as PLD. I should not be at the top of list.

[Mirakumi]

I think it's generally the player's fault if they do bad dd. I've been in some really low level ilevel groups and seen some amazing dps come out from them. If someone is having trouble on something you could ask them their rotation and try to help that way. For example was doing Garuda HM and whm didn't know that doing holy can help on plumes if group is struggling on killing them. It's little notes you can squeeze in without sounding like a jerk. That's just me though.