I can't hold aggro on War

[NyssaElf]

Maybe I worded this wrong. I'm mt pld ot. Pld doesn't take down sheild oath and still uses enmity moves. What can I do to keep strong hate? Like rotations?
A undergeared pld can take hate quicker then I can get it back with BB
Also yes I have provoke

[Pavise]

I've never had agro issues even with keeping up storm's path... Although usually if I'm starting a fight or taunting off the pld I'll follow it up with Unchained+Berserk+Internal Release and unleash everything to ensure a massive threat lead for the OT to also go all out without pulling threat off me.

If you still have issues with threat with proper offensive CD usage well then you've got a lot to improve on as a tank.

[Anuri]

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WAR may be better OT, but they are just the same MT than PLD on pretty everything, and should not be underestimated. T4 double dread ? We can survive. Our HP pool makes us a great option for tanking, and though it's a bit less effective than shield oath, we can MT without problems with a healer we can trust ^_^

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plain and simple no. paladin still is better than warrior because of his cooldowns. not much anymore in 2.1 but still. even further if a warrior is off-tanking now.

and dont come along with "t4 double dread" stuff. i saw pictures where a warrior could mt twintania in 2.0 with 30 str. but at what cost?

Maybe I worded this wrong. I'm mt pld ot. Pld doesn't take down sheild oath and still uses enmity moves. What can I do to keep strong hate? Like rotations?
A undergeared pld can take hate quicker then I can get it back with BB
Also yes I have provoke

thats easy. paladins do RoH combo all the time although they're main-tank or off-tank.

if a warrior is main-tank, he has to cycle thru 3 combos.

Butcher's Block (a little more hate than paladin RoH combo)
Storm's Path (no hate)
Storm's Eye (no hate)

so either your paladin did 3x hate combo in the same time or he had to stand around like an idiot (dps loss).


do your whole party a favor and let the paladin be the main-tank. this way he can spam his RoH combo while u power him up with 10% more dmg and 10% less incoming dmg. usally without "defiance" up what results in better overall party dps.

simple math.

[Warrlordd]

it's the paladins in sword oath doing that. u would be having the same effect if you were to turn off defiance and spam butcher block combo. its a bonus 20% damage to a threat generator... of course it's gonna pull off. if you really dont like it, let them steal aggro, then do heavy swing>skull sunder>provoke>butcher's block. should set you at their high threat + some.

[Bigpurpleharness]

Seems like know matter what I do I can't hold aggro on war against a pld. I don't know if its the pld glitch or not. I can spam overpower till I'm out of tp, and an undergeard pld can steals it in secs. I don't know what do. Its bringing me to tears.
I feel like the worse tank ever because of it.
In case for helping info. Relic axe/myth head/ct and DL gear.
What can I do to hold aggro better?

The issue is PLD has a super combo that does everything for them basically. Warrior juggles two, of which only one gives the emnity boost. Your best option is Infuriate >> Unchained >> Berserk on the pull, then do 2 BBs before you even try to apply the Halone debuff. As someone above said, when pacification hits, spam flash. After that, hate should be smooth unless the dork is trying to yank hate, or severely outgears you.

[Amyas]

Lol my war is the exact opposite, had a few plds rage quit CM during a DR because I'd accidentally pull the boss off of them and tank it and all the adds too (not in defiance, 'pulling my punches' even by mostly just using debuff combos). If its an addfest, wars shine because of OP and Steel Cyclone, flash too will make your tanking ability as war go up alot. Also don't use OP on a single target, the only aoe you should use on a single target boss would be flash if you're pacified and need hate (rare situation with the 2.1 enmity buffs). Kinda sounds like your ot plds are going all out in shield oath or something?

Here's what I do to make it where plds have 0 chance of pulling adds off me: flash, OP, OP, debuff combo, regular combo (all while tabbing through targets to hit different ones), vengeance, berserk, internal release, combo til wrath V (should only need a half of one by this point) Steel Cyclone, Infuriate, steel cyclone, rinse repeat while using various buffs, bloodbath, thrill of war, etc to make your healers like you more :P
EDIT: Almost forgot, you can use flash in the middle of a combo without interrupting your combo, take advantage of that if you feel they're out flashin' ya.

[Teleniel]

When a Pld is OTing that doesn't make him a DPS. Even spamming his DPS combo is not THAT much of an impact. I would rather have my OT paladins do Riot Combo > Stoneskin > ROH combo > repeat than just spam RoH.

[Caraway]

To add to everything above, Bloodbath will also add some enmity as well. They're not big heals, but they're still heals and they do count without having to do anything extra as well.

[NyssaElf]

helpful info

Thank you for this it was a great explanation. The pld are going all out either to be jerks or not knowing there rotations. Does flash interrupt macros?

[Amyas]

Thank you for this it was a great explanation. The pld are going all out either to be jerks or not knowing there rotations. Does flash interrupt macros?

Np. I imagine it would, haven't used macros yet myself so idk for sure.