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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Divine Gate
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Caraway View Post
    To add to everything above, Bloodbath will also add some enmity as well. They're not big heals, but they're still heals and they do count without having to do anything extra as well.
    Afraid not. No self heal abilities generate enmity based on the healing done. Only a small static amount for activating the skill.
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    OmegaSinX's Avatar
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    King Drako
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    Your not using MACRO's for your Combo are you ? if so, its prolly because the PLD is hitting faster than you since Macro /wait 2.5 rounds up to 3 secs. so what takes you 9secs to do, takes him 7.5 secs so he will out threat you quicker. The only othere thing I can think of is your Weapon. The most important thing to increase your threat is your Weapon, make sure its always the first thing you upgrade (If you have issues with threat). Getting more STR will help too.
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyssaElf View Post
    Maybe I worded this wrong. I'm mt pld ot. Pld doesn't take down sheild oath and still uses enmity moves. What can I do to keep strong hate? Like rotations?
    A undergeared pld can take hate quicker then I can get it back with BB
    Also yes I have provoke
    Equally geared PLD and WAR both in tanking stances the PLD will generate more enmity. Because of the greater damage reduction of Defiance over Shield Oath. Using War CDs though there should be no issues gaining more enmity. Using maim berserk and unchained will increase single target by 85% for a good duration. But really there should be no point in fighting for enmity if you're MT. Tell the OT to just keep their str debuff up and SS people. Or swap into Sword Oath and SS people.
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    NyssaElf's Avatar
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    Saryn Aide
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaSinX View Post
    Your not using MACRO's for your Combo are you ? if so, its prolly because the PLD is hitting faster than you since Macro /wait 2.5 rounds up to 3 secs. so what takes you 9secs to do, takes him 7.5 secs so he will out threat you quicker. The only othere thing I can think of is your Weapon. The most important thing to increase your threat is your Weapon, make sure its always the first thing you upgrade (If you have issues with threat). Getting more STR will help too.
    I have a relic. But the macros may be an issue. Playing on ps3 and do it to save space. Cause I don't what I could do without
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    Beorht Xorell
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    From what I'm reading it sounds like you're doing your job correctly for the most part, although playing on the PS3 might be impairing your performance some.

    Only things I can think of to maybe help would be to reallocate some of your attribute points to Strength. Upgrade your relic to zenith when you get the myth tomes (assuming you haven't already) and double check your rotation.

    If the Paladin is your regular OT (and/or a FC member) I'd suggest to them that they swap to Sword Oath. I'll admit that I'm not as knowledgeable about Paladins, but from what I've seen/remember there's no skills/combos that need Shield Oath to be up. The main reason to use Shield Oath from my understanding is to increase enmity and reduce damage taken. The other thing I would suggest to the Paladin is that they spread out their attacks or use abilities that don't increase enmity even if it's a slight dps loss.
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyssaElf View Post
    I have a relic. But the macros may be an issue. Playing on ps3 and do it to save space. Cause I don't what I could do without
    That would be the #1 reason you cant beat him in threat. It really is that drastic.

    As mentioned above, you need to mix other abilities together, to conserve space, but not your basic 1,2,3 threat/storms path combos.

    There is a new feature that allows u to hold down L2 AND R2 together, for another set of abilities.

    Also, use /chotbar change 1
    and /chotbar change 2

    to make macros that jump to different bars faster. (cuts down on the number of button presses, to speed things up.)
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

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    Odiron Dulmare
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    Balmung
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    2 important things: First of all, the PLD needs to understand that you cycle your combos and that he should be using Riot Blade combo more over Halone on this. This goes for PLD/PLD setups too. Just Riot blade, or SS people, or make yourself busy elsewhere isntead of spaming halone over and over (But make sure the -STR is still being applied).

    Second, there is currently a bug in which if you do Shield oath and then change to Sword Oath, the enmity bonus stays. So they get unmitigated damage, and a buff to auto-attack with enmity bonuses. This makes PLD's enmity skyrocket, which can be a problem when OTing.
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    Professor Meowingtons
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    Siren
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    Fisher Lv 50
    In fights like titan ex I have this problem as well. If I pull first I can only do one butcher block rotation before I do my storm rotation in order to get it up before mountain buster. Paladins need to learn to watch their hate because it can screw the party if they are spamming their threat combo.
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    Whiskey Bravo
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    Leviathan
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    There are plenty of buttons on the PS3 to not macro your main enmity combo. In fact that's probably detrimental, when you could be activating off GCD abilities suck as Berserk, Internal Release, and even Brutal Swing (if you don't need to save for stunning) in between the attacks.. These offer a marginal increase when trying to establish hate, aside from the speed of activating each attack vs waiting for macro

    Best bet is to always open with Unchained. If Unchained is unavailable use Berserk. You usually always have one or the other available, it's kinda overkill to burn them both unless its a strict DPS phase (should be out of Defiance in that case anyways)
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 01-14-2014 at 12:28 AM.

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    Saryn Aide
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    There are plenty of buttons on the PS3 to not macro your main enmity combo. In fact that's probably detrimental, when you could be activating off GCD abilities suck as Berserk, Internal Release, and even Brutal Swing (if you don't need to save for stunning) in between the attacks.. These offer a marginal increase when trying to establish hate, aside from the speed of activating each attack vs waiting for macro

    Best bet is to always open with Unchained. If Unchained is unavailable use Berserk. You usually always have one or the other available, it's kinda overkill to burn them both unless its a strict DPS phase (should be out of Defiance in that case anyways)
    I did take the macros off. With unchained and beserk threat is easier now.
    For ps3 they should make a small bar at the bottom to see when buff cool down. Easier to focus on the 2nd bar
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