'Mog Bonanza'-style rewards worth a total reset?

[viion]

again

NO NO NO NO NO
you are still telling them to punish every legit player out there

i hgave 6 50s currently, and i earned every damn one of them
and there are several others like me

and even people with a single 50 would be pissed at this, you just can not do it

it would be a PR nightmare no matter how you go about doing it

Exactly this, and then all the people that just joined and hit rank 17 will get free ride to 50 with the OP's stupid ideas.

This thread is pointless, a wipe will just make people angry, even me thinking about it annoys me. Getting alch from 32-40 was a pain in the fking ass, im sure you'd agree Vedis, and I would never do it again. If the OP's ideas came to action I'd pound every one of my levels into Alch and other crafts and free ride myself with shards and every mofo would bot cuse they'd have to do it alll over again and no one wants to do that.

You'd be helping RMT because people could then power level accounts and sell them and all the pissed but obsessed players would just go buy them, happened like crazy on XI (but instead of wipe they just got banned). And people that lost all this gil would go out buying or just bot it. Wiping wont fix a single thing it would inflate botting.

[Radaghast]

First you'd need loot that's actually worthwhile to have a Mog Bonanza.

[Zantetsuken]

http://www.next-gen.biz/features/dfc-be-wary-entering-mmo-market

A key quote from the article:

[...]the great bulk of the coming [MMO] games experiencing some initial success, as they are ‘test driven’ by the players, only to be abandoned for other games that better meet the technology, playing and social needs of more customers. This has been a major problem for MMOG developers and operators in the more competitive markets [...]

SE didn't even achieve initial success with this game, and they are not going to come out of this well if they aren't afforded every tool they need for fixing this game, IMHO.

[Honz]

I smell a lot of jealousy in this thread... *cough*

Aside from that reseting the economy wouldn't produce the effect you think it would.

FFXIV and FFXI's economies are unlike most of the other MMOs other there. If there was such an archetype for it I would say FFXIV's economy is a pure player supported economy. All the gear and materials provided to the players in game are collected by players themselves through hard work (ie not buying from npcs).

Nearly every piece of gear in game and crafting material were produced by the players themselves through crafting and gathering. In other MMOs gear from drop directly from mobs or are rewards from quests.

If you played during the early days of FFXIV you should know how the economy was r40 gear was in the millions and small handful of players controlled the economy because of their high ranked crafts.

Resetting the economy would only produce the same effect but with different players. Obviously new players would like the reset to be part of the "snobby and elite" players group. Tough luck guys you snooze you lose.

[Mireille]

To put it quite frankly, under the current gaming environment, if you haven't botted your way to 50 with multiple classes, then you are missing out on what is essentially an SE amnesty period.

You seem to suggest here that anyone with multiple 50s is a boter, and that would certainly explain why you want a reset. I can tell you that that's not remotely acurate though. I've watched people in my shell who play all day long grinding their jobs, and have many at or close to 50 as a result.

I appreciate where those with a near-full roster of (legit) lvl 50 classes are coming from. It would be a pretty big setback and I am not remotely surprised that they would be opposed to it.

I have nothing at 50 yet, and I am still against this idea. I haven't played the game these last 8 months just to have all my progress reset. I don't think SE would have left the game up if they didn't think they could fix it under these conditions. They also seem to want our feedback, and letting us build up our characters is the payoff for us continuing to play and provide them with input. Take that away, and no one will play till SE relaunches, and a whole lot of people wouldn't return if SE announced that move at this stage of the game. SE looses the feedback they are using to fix the game, and the games primary player base in one shot.

[Kafeen]

Let's face it, FFXIV is broken in many ways right now. We have RMT and bots running rampant and exploiting the crap out of the economy and leveling system.

And a reset will change nothing, the same people that botted before will bot again and get back to level 50 before any legitimate players.

The upcoming class/job changes will likely anger some who expected to be leveling one job but instead get stuck with one they didn't want.

From what we understand about jobs, they're more of an optional addition to the current classes than something that's going to drastically change them so I don't see why people will end up stuck with one they didn't want. And even if they don't like the job changes, you're never stuck with it, you can still change class at any time.

Giving people an item to instantly level up a different class to level 50 just means you're going to have level 50 players who have no idea how to play their class.

One of the first things Yoshi said when taking over and talking about the addition of jobs was that people wouldn't have to worry about a reset because it wasn't going to happen. I don't think going back so drastically on that would give people much confidence in him or Final Fantasy XIV.

[Jinrya-Geki]

No item in the world would be good enough to have me stay if there was a reset.

Getting to 50 on Con/Thm was annoying enough, because it automatically makes me a healer if there is no other healer in the leve party.

God Bless ALL legitimate crafters who are managing/managed to get to 50 without cheating. You guys are champions. I am a rank 36 weaver I want throw my face into on coming traffic when I do one god-forsaken-always-unstabilizing-random-synthesis.

If there was a reset... someone in SE who OK'ed the idea better start running...

[Shika]

The upcoming class/job changes will likely anger some who expected to be leveling one job but instead get stuck with one they didn't want. The future class restrictions on gear will load down some players with useless items, and the elimination of physical levels will likely result in further tweaks to gear already in possession of players.

The new job specializations may not be what players expect (i.e. for me on THM I may not have access to WHM or RDM type abilities as I personally hope), but it's not that huge a deal to me... I paid for the game initially yes, but it's free to play at the moment and I see this as an opportunity ahead of others that may join on other console releases later on. Ok this is another beta of the game pretty much, but I quite like the idea of being part of something as it develops and improves from the state that FFXIV was on PC release and to what it will hopefully be in a a year's time. In short, once the jobs are released I will pick the one I want and level the class for it appropriately- it's not going to make me pull my hair out or swear at SE about it lol. ^^

If class restrictions on gear leaves players with items that are useless- get rid of them? You don't have to hold them in your inventory if they are no longer of use to you.... And tweaks to existing gear is not necessarily a bad thing- we don't know until it is implemented. So I don't necessarily agree with the first part of your post.

To compensate, all the current players should be given:

1) A prestige item that would give the equivalent of ~50 lvls (or more) of exp to divide between classes however they choose
-and-
2) Several picks of non-trade-able elite gear/weapons rewards to choose from along the lines of the Mog Bonanza rewards in FFXI.

I do agree that if the game was ever rolled back or changed so dramatically that our current characters are pretty much wiped in stats and the work put in, that this would be a fair compensation from the developers for time and effort. I don't see why they would have to wipe or rollback players' gil though to make changes to classes/jobs etc. But, I would say the chances of this happening are pretty unlikely.

This compensation suggestion following a rollback would not solve the issue of RMT and botters. They would have the same choice of exp allocation into classes/jobs so would have thier crafting/mining/botany/fishing levels back to where they were... with a wiped economy they could flood the MW pretty quickly again anway.

So basically if characters are rolled back so dramatically that all the effort players had put in were lost, then yes some form of compensation to restore levels and some gear as described in the OP would be fantasic. But this is not going to solve the problem of RMT and botters in game- SE will have to take other measures for this.

[Galoot]

I don't even have a R50 and I would be pissed if I got reset because although I don't spend a lot of time on FFXIV it's still time I've put in. If I had multiple R50s and put the time in for that...can't say I wouldn't find the person responsible. I'm just sitting back, slowly leveling in hopes that the team brings something to launch this game where it could be. I played FFXI a lot and I've seen economies in peaks and valleys with a slight adjustment to the game. Not trying to throw the whole FFXI at people but they brought in BCNMs that dropped rare gear, increased entrance fees to certain areas, etc. LMAO just checked ffxiah.com for the hell of it and peacock charm is 600k...at one point it was 16mil on Odin server. As for the botter point, they will find them, and they will find those that exploit the system and they will be punished, I saw it happen first hand with the Einherjar glitch. It can be done, just takes patience.

[Demacia]

If the game was COMPLETELY reworked and changed from the ground up, then I'd be in favor even if there was no reward. Who grinds to 50 just to wait for "the REAL content" to come out? If it's for the good of the game and you oppose even when offered a serious reward you're selfish.

Then again Yoshida will never do something like this.