Why do they try to make tanking harder?

[HellRyu]

I had a DPS try and lead through this one dungeon and he always thought he was chuck norris, he hit everything didn't wait for anyone and would run off to the next set of mobs before we even finished the one we were currently fighting and even when we told him to stop and just wait for everyone else he didn't listen. We ended up just ignoring he was even there and finished the dungeon with him dead somewhere. It's annoying but you will always have a bad apple somewhere.

[Ri_ri]

I get impatient in low level dungeons. Flash is not enough without Shield Oath, and being a black mage, I see the tank with a lot of mobs yet can't just burn them all...

It's not that they want to make it harder for you, I think.

[MurakumoMillennium]

GLD is just balls at tanking in lower level dungeons anyways. It requires a lot more effort to be effective than MRD.

MRD? Your rotation until 30+ when you go WAR and lose invigorate is basically overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower > overpower.

[Sove92]

GLD is just balls at tanking in lower level dungeons anyways. It requires a lot more effort to be effective than MRD.

This is true especially since the introduction of duty roulette. If you queue into a lv <30 dungeon with a job equipped, you don't lose the stat bonuses the job gives you (you neither lose any of the 30 points you can set that you have acquired). If the tank is a GLA, they will have a much harder time keeping hate on themselves. MRD has easier time with their higher dps and Overpower, but it still takes more effort.

[Runalong]

The bottom line is that many players have little or no understanding of group mechanics and/or have no interest in learning them. At times I wonder if some of the people I end up grouping with are mentally deficient in some way.

[zakalw3]

It's the tank's job to communicate the way they're going to tank just as much as it is for people to follow.

People are not all experienced at the same level and teams need a leader. This is also a social game, so communication is entirely the point.

Whenever I start an instance, any instance in the game, I ask the question "is this anyone's first time". If it is, I explain any strat as required and let the team know I'll be marking. If it's not, I gauge the group's experience to see if we can move through faster.

I'd imagine many frustrated tanks are just as to blame for poor communication, or not even attempting to communicate, and that the few times they find a player that simply ignores their attempts makes them feel justified and righteous.

[Kiroh]

I had a tank in one low level dungeon that was just spamming riot blade.

Me : Use savage blade, riot blade doesn't add enmity.
Two pulls later
Me : Please use savage blade.
Moar pulls later
Me : Use savage blade, savage blade!
Halfway through the dungeon
Me : OMG USE FREAKING SAVAGE BLADE!
Tank continues spamming riot blade
Me : FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AT LEAST USE FLASH IF YOU'RE GONNA SPAM RIOT BLADE.
Tank never uses flash or savage blade once.

I let the Monk tank instead and just stopped healing the tank altogether, we cleared the dungeon run fine with the MNK tanking.

The point of my story is that bad players come in all jobs/classes and it's not any one person's sole duty to do everyone else's work for them. Each person is responsible for knowing their place in the fight/dungeon.

[SirGazuntai]

What I don't understand is why I go into the Duty Roulette and end up in something like Qarn and end up with new players who don't know how to play. How in the world did they get through the previous dungeons to even reach Qarn? Blows my mind.

[Mailstrum]

macro provoke and shield lob together. If a ranged DPS pulls the mob just provoke sheild lob it will come back then continue to flash spam. on an aoe pull you should shield lob run in take the melee to the range and spam flash till about 50% mana then start riot blade combo then flash flash then tab target riot blade combo flash flash tab target riot blade combo. Repeat till the pull is dead. you wont lose agro

[Delorean]

Because everyone has a different idea of fun.

To you, fun might be never losing aggro once or tanking many enemies at once. To a DPS, fun might be always trying to put out the highest amount of damage that they can or experiment with new methods of execution. As you might imagine, your goals and the goals of the players you are grouped with may conflict with one another.

and if you aren't having fun, what's the point of playing a game in the first place?

but if you always try your best and try to do better every time, i really don't think you should have a problem

This is true especially since the introduction of duty roulette.

i did not have a problem at all doing dungeons while leveling PLD

use flash more, rotate rage of halone on enemies more often. start every pull with 2-3, maybe 4 flash. don't worry about running out of resources, no one is going to die if you run out of mp. but they might if you don't have aggro on everything.

failure is a part of success, so go spam your flash until you are dry and gradually use less in the following pulls to get a good feel for output of threat that you must maintain. mark a target if it's difficult for you to handle all enemies with dps being split, just bind attacktarget1 to one of your keys and keep it handy during every pull

i mean i know some people are new to the role, but it's difficult to imagine that with the way some people are playing that they are actually even trying. its like they are sitting there hitting the first step of their combo over and over again sometimes =\