Why do they try to make tanking harder?

[Noahlimits]

FATEs are not the thing that results in bad players. Bad players are just bad, one way or another. Like anything, people start off poorly, but can learn if they choose to. Stop looking for something to blame (which is probably just something you, personally, dislike).

He does have some points though. If you fated from 15-50, you have absolutely no idea what abilities are useful in what situation. Tanks that don't know their emnity combo/flash, dps that don't know rotations or who try to pull, healers who haven't even healed much. I agree with you that fates themselves don't produce bad players. Players who fate from 15-50 make bad players.

[Lumiin]

Snip.

Welp I fate'd from 5-50 on two jobs and all I get is compliments on how skilled I am, people in my fc asks me for advice. It's up to the individual if they want to learn their class or not. Only my tank, I use fates to practice keeping aggro on multiple mobs and things go smoothly. On my healer I would tell people to eat the red circles to practice healing in "oh schitt" situations.

Anyway OP, like some one else stated just let them die. Idk why DDs think its okay to go balls to the wall on the mob marked "3" lol.

[Noahlimits]

Welp I fate'd from 5-50 on two jobs and all I get is compliments on how skilled I am, people in my fc asks me for advice. It's up to the individual if they want to learn their class or not. Only my tank, I use fates to practice keeping aggro on multiple mobs and things go smoothly. On my healer I would tell people to eat the red circles to practice healing in "oh schitt" situations.

Anyway OP, like some one else stated just let them die. Idk why DDs think its okay to go balls to the wall on the mob marked "3" lol.

I'm curious, was it the first job you ever leveled that you fated from 5-50 with? And there are always exceptions.

[Teleniel]

Low level dungeons are pretty easy.... they're pretty much head first things where everyone can grab an enemy and nobody dies.
The problem is you can't really out-gear them like you can at level 50. And you don't have your entire tool-kit that you might be used to.
You also get to the point where players realize at the end of it, it doesn't matter if they pulled hate.


Tanking is not easy, and the fewer tools you have the harder it is. Sometimes it's bad communication (AoE vs. Single target, and which single target)... Sometimes it's that a DPS/healer got a new ability which if they use it too often causes problems (AoE / HoT abilities).


I will say though, some days it's that the tank is missing a beat, please be willing to accept constructive criticism.
EG: you should really go do your class quest for shield lob before doing another dungeon.
or : you shouldn't pull with provoke unless it's for range reasons it is your lowest base enmity skill
or : using your Combo (BB / RoH) generates more hate than using the final skill alone.


Also, gear scales down fairly well. Low-level gear will have 3 attributes which are relevant, mid and high level gear will have 4. The stat-caps for gear will be based on your character level when in the dungeon... however it is still different holding hate against someone who has maxed-stats on gear from it being synched down than from someone who's ilevel is lower than the dungeon level.

[truemagus]

I do get it can be the tanks fault but:
tanks only lvl 19
i do not get provoke yet
i never use those moves with out combo since they do not give benefits with out it,and even then i barely use them in aoe add pulling since the dps like to single target what ever add im not on so i need flash to gcd instead.

[SummonerSenah]

Ask your healer to heal. Sometimes it helps. Once during a Castrum run one of the healers was DPSing and didn't notice that the other healer died and as a result we wiped. I explained that we already had 4 DPS so if the healers would heal it would be great. I could have probably phrased it more politely, but we had a smooth run after that.

[Darlan_Ashwood]

Make sure youre marking the mobs. 1, 2, 3, is really all you need in your skill bar to mark efficiently

[Gesser]

Because tanking is easy...

[Solanthus]

Personally, I've found that level syncing can be the biggest factor in how easy or hard tanking is, especially with people playing on classes rather than jobs. I was doing halatali on my L32 Monk before, and the tank was a L22 gladiator or so. Needless to say, I had to literally play at half-speed in order to not take enmity, as my standard damage combo seemed to generate more enmity than the gladiators enmity combo (at that level). If the enemy was near death, then I would sometimes just take it in the last few rounds and rely on Fist of Earth (-10% dmg received) and Featherfoot/Second Wind to cover me. I would also have to frequently cycle targets to ensure I was doing damage all the time, but not taking enmity (as in, dealing damage on primary target until 5% off enmity threshold, then go to secondary target until 5% off, then third target etc.)

The tank in question was reasonably well geared as well, full L20 hq crafted gear, and they were using the right skills. But they still had nearly 20% less hp than me synced (I had around 610hp, they had 450 or so) and the above issues. Level syncing and job bonuses are just very powerful in low level duty roulette. As a comparison, my main is L50 Warrior, been playing it since launch and pretty much fully kitted out (just finishing off primals for weapon then 1 allagan acc.). I can be very lazy and not pay attention in low level roulette because there's just no competition for enmity 99% of the time.

[Imapooonu]

...snip..... I can be very lazy and not pay attention in low level roulette because there's just no competition for enmity 99% of the time.

I agree. This is also the reason someone can pull agro off a tank in similar circumstances, and is the reason I have no idea what Archona is talking about.