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  1. #1
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    truemagus's Avatar
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    Caerbannog Rabbit
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 72

    Why do they try to make tanking harder?

    I created a little alt gladiator to level that for a while before i build up the energy to finish my whm to 50. It was a blast the first 16 levels...then i hit the dungeons. In all the dungeons and guildhests i have been in I've either gotten a healer in cleric stance dpsing forcing me to use pots to self heal and almost die.


    Or that lone dps who is synced down in here and making my job harder by hitting the add no one else is on till it gets on them,then when i get on that add they swap to the other add that i'm not on and pull that one to the. In dungeons i usually get both which leads to a very not fun time for me.One of the times i even had a therma go and pull large packs before me and complain about me not getting aggro,i cannot get aggro when they are across the room,and i certainly cannot get aggro if they keep spamming the same aoe to keep up eminity

    Do people do this unconsciously or are they trying to make my job harder than it has to be?
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    Noahlimits's Avatar
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    Akira Ono
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Players are bad. Players in lower level dungeons are especially bad. That's all there is to it.
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  3. #3
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    Musashidon's Avatar
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    Blackmage Vivi
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 100
    actually you're making your job harder. healer not healing and dpsing? let them pull agro watch them die, dps over agroing? let them die, players on a general basis being stupid? let them die. instead of trying so hard to do your job watch as they attempt to live or coordinate without you. if people cannot simply lower their damage or hit your target or even heal you going out of your way to let them continue that only shows its ok for them to do that. so next time they do that just let them die
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    Player Archona's Avatar
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    Vamperica Garisk
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    Excalibur
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    Healer should be fine DPSing in Cleric Stance, though he shouldn't let you die. Potions are also a nonissue, if you have them and want to use them, sure, if not, then no biggie.
    DPS pulling off of you in low level dungeons is not a big deal.

    You're probably not using Flash often enough, aren't marking targets, or aren't switching targets often enough.

    Important part about tanking is maintaining pace in dungeons. If you're too slow then you may be incompatible with your party members, which leads to things like DPS pulling in front of you.

    Letting your party die is just proving to them how bad of a tank you are.

    edit:
    Just an FYI on healing:

    Newbie healers are worrying about keeping everyone's HP at full, while experienced healers know how to DPS while making sure everyone stays alive. There are a few instances towards the endgame where you do need to keep everyone topped off, but in low level dungeons it is most of the time unnecessary. The out-of-combat regen is insanely high, you get faster Limit Break bars from healing people at low HP, and most of the time, a healer who is willing to DPS leads to shorter fights and faster dungeon runs.
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    Last edited by Archona; 01-11-2014 at 08:35 AM.

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    Davionx's Avatar
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    Davion Crismorn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Agro is your role, keep yourself up to date weapon wise and u should have no issues keeping everything on u.
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    Elvin's Avatar
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    Elvin Rath
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    Moogle
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    Alchemist Lv 51
    When I go as a healer on low level dungeons I use to be cleric stance 90% of the time. There is just nothing more to do, and we don't make it to make you r job harder, is just to make things faster and to do...something. Of course, I heal my tanks before they die, but I don't fear to have them go under 40% of his HP. Some healers just stand there...healing, and have tanks at max HP all the time. I don't think that's good, but I undertand that some tanks feel unconfortable being on low HP.

    The thing is, if the healer let's you die for being in cleric stance of course he is doing it bad, but... Are you sure that's the case? I've being on some dungeons were a DPS (BLM or Arcanist) started to heal the tank when he was about 50% hp and I was doing DPS. I told him not to worry about it, that I woud heal if needed, but he didn't trust me. At the end I just took out cleric stance and made a boring dungeon. I really think he was overacting, maybe it's the same for you?

    I woud not use potions. If your healer let's you die, well, it's mainly his fault.


    About the DPS, well, most DPS don't care much about tanks. I want to believe that they just attack a random mob. Sometimes it seems that they choose diferent ones on purpose, cause if it were random, they woud probably choose the same one at least once
    And it's something that you'll usually find on duty finder. Sometimes mark them (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) helps, but usually you'll just have to deal with it.

    Or do as I use to do when it is too much. (Yep, I have a tank too XD) Apologize about not being able to get the agro, ask them to attack in the order that you mark, and let die the DPS that sistematically ignores it heavily. I usually only do this when it seems that they do it on purpose. I mean, I undertand a mistake, even 30 mistakes, I undertand that you want to put dots on everything, but if we are attacking some mobs and you go and pull another group of monster without telling anyone because you want to use more areas... Well, I think that it shoud count as "suicide"
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    Doo's Avatar
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    Buster Posey
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Schs rarely have to heal, eos does everything.

    It doesn't matter if dds hit different mobs as long as they don't get initial pull. If they do let them tank a bit and they'll start getting the picture that's not a smart move.

    Spam flash often and use your mp combo. It only gets worst for tanks as you get closer to end game. You are expected to know everything before you even learn them.
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    Thunderz Canadia
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Fates don't teach people how to play = The results of bad players
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    Caerbannog Rabbit
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 72
    Guess i should of added more info,i mean as in i will be tanking boss slowly very slowly dropping from 40% hp to 10% and i look over to the heal and they are burning through their mp spamming stone.

    Or with a dps who pop their biggest and strongest cds and moves on one add i just recently flashed,since the global cd and my having to run over to the add it leads to me going out of mp on flash then them pulling the other add before i can restore mana. i ussually get the aggro back in the next flash or 2 but its like they came for the purpose of beating me in eminity.

    Flash can only DO so much when i have to also spend time self healing because of the healer and chasing adds because some range dps got trigger happy.
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  10. #10
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    Welsper59's Avatar
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    Eros Maxima
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    Leviathan
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderz View Post
    Fates don't teach people how to play = The results of bad players
    FATEs are not the thing that results in bad players. Bad players are just bad, one way or another. Like anything, people start off poorly, but can learn if they choose to. Stop looking for something to blame (which is probably just something you, personally, dislike).
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