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    Players need job/class combo info ASAP to have time to prepare.

    I would think that a logical first step to starting the job system is to assign each class their future job, then start to work on it. Therefore, this info should be known to the devs relatively early in the process, almost from its inception.

    Those job/class assignments are actually really important to players. Many of us are levelling entire classes with the future job assignment in mind. That is, they're not playing thaumaturge to play thaumaturge. They're playing thaumaturge to be a black mage or red mage. Needless to say, levelling of that class takes many hours.

    When job assigments for each class are known, could we get informed of that ASAP so we have time this summer to prepare for that?

    If for instance, someone who loves blm levelled conjurer...but at the last minute finds out conjurer actually unlocks white mage...that's instant rage factor there. Or if someone finds out that black mage, or thief, or summoner isn't an initial job at all, that's rage factor too. And if say marauder gets beastmaster...that is bedlam right there. Players need time to cope with the possibility that their job doesn't match why they levelled that class, or that their job isn't even in the first round at all.

    Players will tolerate any potential disappointment/missed expectations the more time they're given to react to that news.

    So earlier is better. Like...months in advance. As soon as possible. People need time to react to that decision.
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    Last edited by Peregrine; 06-17-2011 at 03:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    I would think that a logical first step to starting the job system is to assign each class their future job, then start to work on it. Therefore, this info should be known to the devs relatively early in the process, almost from its inception.

    Those job/class assignments are actually really important to players. Many of us are levelling entire classes with the future job assignment in mind. That is, they're not playing thaumaturge to play thaumaturge. They're playing thaumaturge to be a black mage or red mage. Needless to say, levelling of that class takes many hours.

    When job assigments for each class are known, could we get informed of that ASAP so we have time this summer to prepare for that?

    If for instance, someone who loves blm levelled conjurer...but at the last minute finds out conjurer actually unlocks white mage...that's instant rage factor there. Or if someone finds out that black mage, or thief, or summoner isn't an initial job at all, that's rage factor too. And if say marauder gets beastmaster...that is bedlam right there. Players need time to cope with the possibility that their job doesn't match why they levelled that class, or that their job isn't even in the first round at all.

    Players will tolerate any potential disappointment/missed expectations the more time they're given to react to that news.

    So earlier is better. Like...months in advance. As soon as possible. People need time to react to that decision.
    Judging from your posting history, I'm surprised at you Peregrine. lol. SE takes baby steps, not giant leaps of faith. Afraid you're SOL partner.
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    I have been asking for this for a while, I think most of the classes are easy to spot but CON and THM are the two that are a bit iffy.

    CON on the face of it with Elemental and Ancient Magic would be the better suited BLM, that would leave THM to be WHM but WHM doesn't fit THM at all really. THM does have the better AOE for curing and buffing but lacks pretty much everything else a traditional WHM would have. Their lore is darker and better suited to BLM yet they also lack the Elemental and Ancient Magics that a BLM would have.

    Yoshi stated that classes would be rebuilt from the ground up where needed and these two are going to need more work than others to get them to the two Job roles most people are expecting. Ww have already seen the BLM AF as it were so that will be coming without a doubt and if there is a BLM they will also have to have a main heal Job and that will most likely come as a WHM as you can't have one without the other

    I would like to know which one will be which and what changes to each class there will be in order to pull off these Jobs.

    As for the rest of the Jobs I see it like this:

    GLA -> PLD
    PUG -> MNK
    MRD -> WAR
    LNC -> DRG
    ARC -> RNG
    CON -> ???
    THM -> ???

    *EDIT*

    Also to me it seems like they are moving away from the weapon=class system from what we have heard recently and moving more towards a FFXI system as it were. For example Archer having some sort of close range auto attack that does not use arrows, that sound to me very much like it was in FFXI. Then also what was just said by Bayohne:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
    Jobs won't have levels and as such won't need to be leveled up. Jobs are an advanced form of the class that unlocks them. So for example purposes, a level 50 Gladiator would be a level 50 Paladin. (Example only!)

    Also we can confirm that we'll be changing the term "ranks" (as in rank 50 Pugilist) to "levels" (as in level 50 Pugilist) along with the removal of the physical level. We'll also be changing skill points to experience points.

    In summation:
    Rank > Level
    Skill points > Experience points
    Again this is the same as FFXI more or less, maybe weapons will have there own skill up's as it were, we will have to wait and see. All we know is that it seems like big changes are coming probably bigger than we expected and I am looking forward to finding out what they are, hopefully sooner rather than later ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    Many of us are levelling entire classes with the future job assignment in mind. That is, they're not playing thaumaturge to play thaumaturge. They're playing thaumaturge to be a black mage or red mage. Needless to say, levelling of that class takes many hours.
    Their mistake, why are they assuming THM will be BLM or RDM? By thinking SE will go the way THEY WANT SE to go, they will find themselves angry and greatly disappointed.

    If for instance, someone who loves blm levelled conjurer...but at the last minute finds out conjurer actually unlocks white mage...that's instant rage factor there. Or if someone finds out that black mage, or thief, or summoner isn't an initial job at all, that's rage factor too. And if say marauder gets beastmaster...that is bedlam right there. Players need time to cope with the possibility that their job doesn't match why they levelled that class, or that their job isn't even in the first round at all.
    Again, it's simple. Don't get your hopes up with what you THINK the job you're leveling will unlock. Seriously, this isn't hard to grasp. Assuming that Summoner will be in this game is just laughable, same goes for Red Mage, Black Mage, Thief, White Mage, Dragoon, Ninja, etc.etc. All that has been CONFIRMED is Paladin. You're just going to dash your OWN hopes because you're thinking for your selfish self. It's actually more ignorance than selfishness.

    Also, whats to say that you HAVE to accept these job quests? They're quests that give you a title*, that's it. That title* might open yourself up to unique abilities, spells, and armor through ADDITIONAL quests, but you're still a Marauder, Pugilist, etc.

    Right now, people are leveling the jobs they've leveled, because that's what they wanted to level. You can't tell someone who's been playing since release that still doesn't have a level 50 was/is leveling that job because they thought it would turn into a different job. This "job system" wasn't even mentioned till a few months ago. Give me a break.

    Silly Bayohne, making more work for the community rep team and GM team by opening the flood gates on such a ridiculous topic. /comfort
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    Agreed. We need this info. Sooner the better.
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    I think they should give that information ahead of time as well and also maybe if they plan to release the other classes like Musketeer and Arcanist (not sure if there are other since I did not notice other guilds) and what job they unlock.
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    Square giving clear and ample information in a timely manner to avoid pointless speculation and allow their customers to prepare for whatever is to come?
    Surely you jest.
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    Like someone said already, we've seen BLM gear, we know that job is coming. We've also seen what looked like DRK equipment. If we're going to have BLM it makes sense to have its opposite the WHM. If we're going to have a PLD it makes sense to have its opposite the DRK.

    They really need to announce this stuff and fast. Then again it doesn't matter much to me because I'll be 50 CON and THM by the time it matters. I'll just sell all my equip for whichever becomes WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenor View Post
    Like someone said already, we've seen BLM gear, we know that job is coming. We've also seen what looked like DRK equipment. If we're going to have BLM it makes sense to have its opposite the WHM. If we're going to have a PLD it makes sense to have its opposite the DRK.

    They really need to announce this stuff and fast. Then again it doesn't matter much to me because I'll be 50 CON and THM by the time it matters. I'll just sell all my equip for whichever becomes WHM.
    Yeah DRK is the one that confuses me because out of the classes we have I suppose THM is the best fit but only because of it's Absorb Spells and there is no current weapon that a DRK would wield really. They also said they have no plans to release new "classes" in the near future so unless it was a sneak peek at what is to come further down the line, I don't know. They either must be making some huge changes to the current system or it just isn't coming anytime soon until they add an appropriate weapon class.
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    As for DRK, MRD is the most likely choice. But who knows.
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