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    Tupsi's Avatar
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    Odsarzol Que
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    I thought it was really well done in FF12. It was difficult, it was a long quest
    Too stressful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caraway View Post
    I am sick and bloody tired of MMOs forcing solo battles.
    Love it or hate it, FFXI being "forced" large groups for big encounters even in 'instances' is pretty much what MMOs (and FF) were always about. I'm happy Gilgamesh will be here, but sadden that the design direction may make this encounter...what's the word....leave more to be desired? Despite all his arms, I wonder if he'll even have multiple attack rounds, like say Charybdis from XI that can attack 1-8 times in quick succession to the point it looks like he never stops attacking you.

    (Basically actually trying to kill you rather than 1 random cheap mechanic.)
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    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caraway View Post
    Yes to making it include some epic music and a great battle... And absolutely no to it being 1 vs 1 (or at least forced 1 vs 1).

    I am sick and bloody tired of MMOs forcing solo battles.
    Being a pansy that needs 7 other people to fight a character that has been introduced as a duelist that challenges people to a 1 on 1 fight to take their weapons, or being "the one" that breaks the duelist's winning streak and puts an end to his weapon-stealing ways while also proving to be the duelist's equal in skill. Hmmmm.......
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Shiloh Everlost
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Being a pansy that needs 7 other people to fight a character that has been introduced as a duelist that challenges people to a 1 on 1 fight to take their weapons, or being "the one" that breaks the duelist's winning streak and puts an end to his weapon-stealing ways while also proving to be the duelist's equal in skill. Hmmmm.......
    Pansy? Really? Wow, that's unnecessary.

    That said, looking at a FF historic lore standpoint, Gilgamesh is always fought by a party because he's such a massive challenge (lore wise) even if he's using something as awful as Excalipoor.

    Regardless, my point was that forcing you into a solo battle in a MMO is absurd and an example of lazy design decisions. You should have the choice to engage the encounter how you will. Want to fight that easy mob with three people? Sure! You won't get as much XP. Want to fight that huge dragon alone? Sure! You're probably going to die.

    It's about choice. And forcing you to solo a fight in an MMO is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caraway View Post
    That said, looking at a FF historic lore standpoint, Gilgamesh is always fought by a party because he's such a massive challenge (lore wise) even if he's using something as awful as Excalipoor.
    And my point is that he's been presented as a duelist, and would make no sense to have 8 people gang up on him and only prove that you on your own are no match. Mind you, in this case you're also helping Hildibrand since you're the single player character in that storyline, and it would take away from that by making it a group fight.

    If he hadn't been presented as a duelist, I'd be okay with it being a group fight against him.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Enkidoh Roux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caraway View Post
    Pansy? Really? Wow, that's unnecessary.

    That said, looking at a FF historic lore standpoint, Gilgamesh is always fought by a party because he's such a massive challenge (lore wise) even if he's using something as awful as Excalipoor.
    You actually fight him solo in Dissidia Duodecium (But then that is a fighting game with RPG elements so yeah, different genre).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    You actually fight him solo in Dissidia Duodecium (But then that is a fighting game with RPG elements so yeah, different genre).
    Actually you can have an assist character so it's a 2v2 battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caraway View Post
    Pansy? Really? Wow, that's unnecessary.

    That said, looking at a FF historic lore standpoint, Gilgamesh is always fought by a party because he's such a massive challenge (lore wise) even if he's using something as awful as Excalipoor.
    Even our last encounter with him was in a party (XIII-2), so yeah. He may "Challenge" someone one on one and considering Yoshi's non-stressful stance I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most pathetic version of gilgamesh ever lol.

    You fought him in a party way more than you did one on one unless you did 1 character challenges via hacking or killing everyone off before encounter.
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    Kinnison Cooke
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    Malboro
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    Also, if they don't get John DiMaggio to voice Gilgamesh again, I'll be sad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XsQIHGSNhs
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    Last edited by HakuroDK; 01-12-2014 at 02:35 AM.

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    In that pic he appears to be wielding the gun halbard the final boss of 1.0 had. Interesting.
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