Remember the arguments during beta?

[Mezolitik]

Well that kinda is my point. People will leave and play other newer games all the time. Meanwhile the diehard FF fans suffer with this watered down game that was adapted for those casual gamers that probably won't play this again.

The die-hard FF fans are casual console gamers, not MMO players. Final Fantasy isn't a PC/MMO title, generally speaking.

You've got your reasoning backwards. The hardcore gamers are the ones who left after devouring all the content. The casual guys are still here paying the bills because they're so slow to progress.

[Ricky]

Well that kinda is my point. People will leave and play other newer games all the time. Meanwhile the diehard FF fans suffer with this watered down game that was adapted for those casual gamers that probably won't play this again.

I am a fan of FF and Elder Scrolls. ESO is far worse

[HurtigeKarl]

Well that kinda is my point. People will leave and play other newer games all the time. Meanwhile the diehard FF fans suffer with this watered down game that was adapted for those casual gamers that probably won't play this again.

By "diehard FF fan", I assume you mean FFXI? Because no true FF fan would ever willingly have your belittling attitude.

[Jilse]

By "diehard FF fan", I assume you mean FFXI? Because no true FF fan would ever willingly have your belittling attitude.

I think they mean XI, but if so, they have not played the game in years.

People acting like free weekends are new to SE, and they are copying WoW or something else by doing so must have missed all the Welcome Back campaigns FFXI throws. These basically cater to those who choose to blow through content and then cancel subscriptions until something new comes along. I have been playing XI since the NA open beta, and would be still if it hadn't gotten so far from the game I started playing all those years ago.

[Imapooonu]

After reading the entirety of this thread, I have concluded that the title no longer makes sense.

It started too, but then it stopped.

[Naunet]

You have no clue who left or why.

[Alipoprocks]

You have no clue who left or why.

I am quite sure I have at the very least a clue. Along with anyone else who plays games for years.

[Kule]

I have a feeling over time you'll get the more expansive content you're after. If you look at it this way, they rebuilt the game in 2-3 years with a new engine.. they were crunching that deadline the whole time and the reason so many assets were ripped from FFXI/FFXII.

The reason we're getting these big 0.1, 0.2,etc updates is because they themselves know the game was released barebones but if they waited another year or two to finish it, way more people would have lost interest.

Also at the time of remaking FFXIV blizzard were originally expecting their next mmo to be released for 2015 but have since scrapped it and started over.

So you can see why SE worked as fast as they did and cut a lot of corners.

Kinda tired so I hope that makes sense

[Taruranto]

I think it's more the other way around, die hard FF11/FF fans left/are leaving since this game is basically WoW theme-park garbage and the ppl left are the WoW fans (I mean, look at the forum, people using WoW terminology and shiet all over the place).

[WizardShotTheFood]

I think it's more the other way around, die hard FF11/FF fans left/are leaving since this game is basically WoW theme-park garbage and the ppl left are the WoW fans (I mean, look at the forum, people using WoW terminology and shiet all over the place).

And nobody of value was lost.