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  1. #11
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    Maku's Avatar
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    I am on the Hero's and Allagan as BIS team. Because we stack crit everywhere else the Spell Speed on the vortex will not do much (if anything) for you.
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  2. #12
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    peaches's Avatar
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    Egwene Al'vere
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    Cactuar
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    I personally go Astral because I really like adding Vit, it helps a ton. Plus you can meld in a bunch of crit, although it takes a bit of cash. We sort of got shafted with healing jewelry, and even CT gear. It all seems to have Spell Speed and no crit.
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  3. #13
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    Nana Thefadingmoon
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 80
    I don't have the Allagan ring yet.
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  4. #14
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    Skapoc's Avatar
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    Character
    Skap Onu
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    Behemoth
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Heros ring is BiS but the other ring is up in the air.

    If you need Vit then go with 8 vit melded Astral ring(preferably penta melded). If your good on VIT but need some PIE and some added healing that go with Allagan. Don't need either and just want better heals over time go with Vortex. All 3 are solid choices and offer something the other doesn't. Can't really go wrong with any of them.
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  5. #15
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    Wolf_Gang's Avatar
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    Ice Beam
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 17
    Hero's Ring of healing
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    Allagan Ring of Healing /
    Astral Ring w/ Crit+12, Vit+8, Pie+6

    Vortex ring is trash. I would NEVER pick Spell speed over Piety.
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  6. #16
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    Hitome's Avatar
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    Character
    Hito Yu
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    Midgardsormr
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang View Post
    I would NEVER pick Spell speed piety over Piety spell speed.
    Yeah, I agree.
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  7. #17
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    shadowrell_d-_-b's Avatar
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    S'niryn Knala
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    Adamantoise
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    Scholar Lv 90
    firstly, all three will suffice and will give you some sort of benefit albeit not always the best benefit for your job!

    as a SCH you can play around with each of the three rings depending on what you want to spec towards for a fight vit, pie, det, as for me imo the allagan ring is not good on a SCH, the last thing we need is pie, our highest valued secondary stats are Crit and Det, never pie.

    Hero's + allagan : 26 mind/ 20 pie/ 16 crit/ 8 det

    Hero's + Ruda: 26 mind/ 8 pie/ 16 crit/ 11 det/ 11 SS

    in this setup I have to say the ruda ring is the better, think of it this way you are losing a some pie (which you don't even need) and gaining a whole new stat in spell speed, also not big on a sch but any help to faster heals is a good thing! Plus you are adding more determination which also help our heals, while at the same time getting a moderate pie boost from your hero's ring alone. tbh there is no coil acc as of 2.1 that I feel is better for a SCH if its not myth or EX primal then go with crafted a prioritize the spec you want!

    as a healer our priority is to have better heals! the hero's and ruda combo would be the ideal choice to "have better heals"
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  8. #18
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    Calyanare Vendaurel
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ymbryne View Post
    if the Vortex Ring of Healing ever dropped from Garuda, I'd pick it up, but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over not having it.
    I'm beginning to think the Allagan Ring is a figment of someone's imagination: my group hasn't seen it yet. I got the Vortex ring on my 2nd or 3rd Garuda Ex clear, though, so I'm using that for the foreseeable future.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b View Post
    last thing we need is pie, our highest valued secondary stats are Crit and Det, never pie.
    The thing is, PIE is a primary stat, not a secondary. As such, it is it worth more, because it has a more direct effect on your overall stats. An extra 3 Determination will not even increase your heals by 1HP according to the formulas I've seen.
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    Last edited by Calyanare; 01-10-2014 at 08:53 PM.

  9. #19
    Your heals, no, but your fairy heals, yes.

    Ratio is just not the same at all, people should be aware of this
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  10. #20
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    S'niryn Knala
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    Adamantoise
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Calyanare View Post
    The thing is, PIE is a primary stat, not a secondary. As such, it is it worth more, because it has a more direct effect on your overall stats. An extra 3 Determination will not even increase your heals by 1HP according to the formulas I've seen.

    yes pie is a main stat but it does not effect you overall stats aside from MP, fact is pie does not increase your healing at all (It increase's the amount of spells you can cast) and Det does, every little bit of hp healed can be the difference between a wipe and saving a player that's about to die! The secondary ring slot is meant to be a spec slot so that the player can choose what stats they wish to focus for a fight over another, as a SCH there is no fight atm that is so healing intensive as to push us to the brink of MP and necessitate us to spec towards pie. as for formula's most of them are wrong but what is certain about pie and det is: pie will increase max mp (and mp restoration in result) and det will increase healing potential.

    no need to take a stat that doesn't boost healing at all as a healer over a stat that increase's healing by any amount, main or not.
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