I can't decide what rings to use for SCH (need inpu)

[Rbstr]

The thing about pie is you only need it....if you need it. It's an endurance stat, even WHM ends up with enough of it that losing some for the Vortex ring is no big deal.
But yeah, it doesn't make much difference allagan vs. garuda. You just need the i90 so use whatever you have.

Vortex has the added benefit that you can farm for it in a small loot table.

[SulwynCaliope]

The thing is, PIE is a primary stat, not a secondary. As such, it is it worth more, because it has a more direct effect on your overall stats. An extra 3 Determination will not even increase your heals by 1HP according to the formulas I've seen.

As everyone else has stated, as much visible benefit PIE gives an SCH, in reality it's actually pretty useless. I've never been in a fight thus far (even coil) where I've had to freak out about not enough MP to clear content. Aetherflow + energy drain and enough to ensure that I can get through the most MP intensive content. However, the truth is that I've never ever dipped that low without the fight being a wipe anyway. For my mp to dip low enough for it to be a concern, people had to be dying left and right and dps taking a ton of avoidable damage. This only happens in PUGs for me and in most cases, my mp is never a concern. The extra PIE would go wasted on most competent SCHs with good groups behind them.

Det and spell speed on the other hand, might not affect us directly but they do affect our fairies a little bit. Our fairies stats are based on our own stats so any increment to our stats increases theirs. I would stack spell speed after both crit and det and before PIE mainly because at the very least, it means our fairies can pull off heals a bit faster too.

[Manuka]

I'm curious, what's everybody's thoughts on the Vortex Ring of Fending as BiS for Scholar? Some people I know were discussing this and at first I wasn"t convinced since it lacks mind an ss/piety, but after seeing some of the math it might be worth considering. The fending ring has 15Vit (about 200HP), 11CritC (around 1% gain) and 11 Det all of which are pretty useful gains for a Scholar. For the stats we lose the greatest loss comes from the 13mind which equates to about 20hp on every physick (15 for embrace). Spellspeed is absolutely pointless because it has pretty abysmal scaling and if you're using all the other BiS you'll only have 15SS from boots (26 with Vortex of Healing) so with the secondary stat that low it will have almost zero noticeable effect on scholars. Piety is useful but feels more like quality insurance than a necessity for scholars that manage their aether, don't spam adlo an micro their pets' heals.

TLDR; Is the loss of about 35hp restore on physick/embrace worth 200HP, 1% crit and 11 Det? Cause I'm kinda leaning towards the fending ring.

[Calyanare]

TLDR; Is the loss of about 35hp restore on physick/embrace worth 200HP, 1% crit and 11 Det? Cause I'm kinda leaning towards the fending ring.

My personal opinion on this is that if you need the HP, it's worth it. However, I don't think it comes into the BiS equation as it's not the Best in Slot (the Bests will all maximize MND as this is the stat that increases heal potency). It's merely another option you have to help compensate for deficiencies elsewhere (apparently if you can afford an Astral Ring with even just a single Vitality IV or 2 Vitality IIIs, that is the better option as far as MND goes).

I would stack spell speed after both crit and det and before PIE mainly because at the very least, it means our fairies can pull off heals a bit faster too.

I think PIE is a bit underrated, but it's not as if we know everything about stat influences at this point in the game, anyway. Based on a cursory examination of screenshots of my stats (so scientific lol), PIE appears to have some effect on Spell Speed, but I could be totally wrong on this. Bah, let me go re-spec and take a look. Will edit soon. EDIT: Yep, I'm an idiot, no change. But I still think PIE is underrated. >.>

Take this on consideration, crit will give u double shield effect with galvanize but determination will guve u more healing potency i belive, u will want all the mind u can so the myth accesories are great for sch

Well, yes. But you have 2 ring slots and you can only equip one Hero's Ring of Healing. This whole thread is about what to put in that 2nd slot.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Take this on consideration, crit will give u double shield effect with galvanize but determination will guve u more healing potency i belive, u will want all the mind u can so the myth accesories are great for sch

[Wilbow]

Yeah, I agree.

Well, fine then. As a WHM, I'll take that piety and any more you can give. Thanks in advance!

[SeraviEdalborez]

11 spell speed out of context will knock off about .02 seconds from yours/fairy's (re)cast time. That's practically nothing. The extra 3 det? Also pointless. 12 PIE? Close to 100 MP, which also translates to ~+20 Aetherflow. Huge? Not really. I'd argue moreso than knocking off a hundredth of a second and half a point of MND worth of Det, but it doesn't really matter.

That's not to say spell speed for fairy is a stupid idea. You can actually make a spell speed build for just for Eos, summon her, and switch back to your (crit or det) focus build. Since Eos's stats will only be recalculated on a resummon or when using Fey Covenant. But just 1 piece? Pointless.

If you're even considering Fending ring for BiS, I don't know what to tell you.

[FadingMoon]

I feel like there is no real right answer for this. I feel like the astral ring is middle ground for 2nd ring. ( I will prob end up using it for the hp at least) until I get
Allagan Tunic Of Healing over vanya, with full mend crit.

I feel like the Allagan ring of healing is a myth.

Don't get me wrong I love crit, but I also love more mind.

Even though crit gives such a huge benefit it also depends on chance for that crit heal to go off and how often Adloquium is used. I personally use it in a 1 to 3 ratio unless its a critical moment when huge damage is incoming and I need to negate as much as possible with soil, eye for eye etc etc.

[Ashira]

The reason there is a conflict of opinions (other than because these are forums) is due to the fact that the stat difference is trivial at most.

Take your rings off and wear a bikini, that's what I suggest. Do this for a while and you'll realise that gear means very little when compared with ability. This ring choice means as much to an encounter as your hair colour.

[Sabeta]

Pretty much. Doing the math I found a MAX Crit build would theoretically provide the best Heal ratio. (20% Crit is pretty nice), but that requires T5 and you'll be using some expensive overmelded gear as well. My personal favorite BiS is the i90 full crit build, and that's what I'm sticking with. All other builds are equally viable, and really just boil down to what you want to do. the 5% crit over ~20 per heal from my crit build is valuable to me, but if 9% crit and 1k normal heals are enough for you then by all means go with it.

the only stats I consider really worthless are SS, and even that doesn't suck once you've got enough of it.