A party member has withdrawn...

[Traek]

One fix would also to:
1/ Handle drops only after Acheron dies. All of them.

This is a bad idea, and ENCOURAGES the fishing even more so.. to get 2/4 *minimum* and some to keep trying for 3/4.

2/ Give stones rewards based on the number of bosses you defeated. 2/4 bosses only? 100 Philos and 25 mythos.

This is a bad idea, because now you are actively discouraging people from joining "in progress", leaving parties stranded for longer (philo/myth tomes are usually the driving factor anyways).

3/ Add a "join in progress only" option

This idea keeps being brought up as a *compromise* and it is short sited and a terrible idea. How many times does it have to be debunked for people to stop bringing it up? This is not a design function of the game. SE didn't put "Join in progress" to let people skip bosses cause they feel like it, or they don't have time. If you don't have time DON'T DO THE DUNGEON, it is really that simple. Most people would love to skip to whatever boss they need to get whatever drop they need, but this is not how games are designed. You do the whole dungeon and earn your reward through completion. Join in progress is solely for the purpose of refilling stranded groups ranks, as to not have wasted 23 people's time/effort. Not only all that, but separate queues further lengthens times for BOTH QUEUES.

If it were a blind queue everyone would be on their way faster. Make join in progress still opt-in so people won't skip bosses they might need. Simple. Trying to argue based on jacknobs afking if they don't get where they want is stupid. I hope those people do join and afk, and get repeatedly reported, and swiftly banned. Also considering they'll get kicked, and rejoin a most likely starting group multiple times, it'd be hilarious how much time they are wasting trying to get 2/4 or 3/4 when they will have been able to complete with their first group by then. I believe people will start realizing its inefficiency (btw you can't vote kick first 5min of dungeon starting), and pull up their big boy/girl pants and start playing the game.

[Bufkus]

Quite frankly the real fix for the whole withdrawing thing would be to change the system so that if someone hits cancel, the team is NOT thrown out of the queue, but instead the withdrawee is quickly replaced by whoever is next in line.

[Aleczan]

How exactly will this fix the problem with the withdraw !

Once they see that they are not joining in progress party but in a new party witch will start from the begining they will withdraw as usual !

And i have to sit extra 40min plus pushing the start button for the dn !

What????? People withdrawing from Duty when Duty ready for CT is because of this!??? THIS!? I never knew. I always thought it was broken or someone was talking to NPC or something.... I totally agree with the OP for making the person who withdraws face the 2 minutes lockout.

[Aicha]

This new system is basically useless. I thought you'd now get always the same screen, i.e. you wouldn't know if you join a starting raid or one in progress.

Now there will be just less withdrawals for ongoing raids, starting a raid is still exactly the same 20-30 minutes wait until finally no one did withdraw at formup.

[Ohmalerd]

Issue: People keep withdrawing until they get an instance in progress for Crystal Tower Raid.

Solution given: Lets make it only say 0/1 for in progress, and say nothing for a Fresh Instance. This will stop people from knowing what boss the in progress group is on.

Resulting problem: Original issue was never addressed (being able to differentiate from 'in progress' and 'fresh' in the first place)

The cycle continues.
22 minutes and counting of withdraws.

[Deviant1]

Can we please stop with the altruistic notion that 'in progress' is only for rebuilding parties where people left. The only reason SE put it in there is to prevent the outcry that would happen without it.

if you couldn't add people after the run started, then a lot of runs would just fail with everyone complaining that they couldn't complete the run because of 'x' disconnected/got kicked/fell asleep...

People are acting like the gear they get is somehow better if they spent an hour in the dungeon versus someone who joined halfway through. While this may be your belief, it is not my reality.

the argument against in progress has one severe flaw: It is trying to mandate their desire above other people's choice. even to the extent that it is removing the ability to chose.

I will not comment on those from other countries, but I must admit I find it a little sad when US citizens are so determined to remove the freedom of choice from others.

[Hanabira]

Can we please stop with the altruistic notion that 'in progress' is only for rebuilding parties where people left. The only reason SE put it in there is to prevent the outcry that would happen without it.

if you couldn't add people after the run started, then a lot of runs would just fail with everyone complaining that they couldn't complete the run because of 'x' disconnected/got kicked/fell asleep...

So what youre saying is, they added "in progress" for rebuilding parties where people left.

The game is designed to run a dungeon from start to finish, in progress was added because this isn't always the reality and people WILL leave for whatever reason. This feature was used to replace those people, but abused by people trying to skip through dungeons. If this was intended, why doesn't this happen in JP servers? For whatever reason, people in US regions spend so much time and effort trying to figure out ways to NOT play the game.

Suicide speed runs,
withdrawl spam,
T2 enrage,
any other system circumventing crap is all stuff our region started

[Alkimi]

Just queued solo for CT: 11 mins to form an alliance, a further 1 hour and 7 mins of tanks declining before I actually got in. Great fucking fix SE.

How could you people not realise this would achieve nothing? If anything it's now even worse.

[Aicha]

Can we please stop with the altruistic notion that 'in progress' is only for rebuilding parties where people left. The only reason SE put it in there is to prevent the outcry that would happen without it.
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They just shouldn't show what kind of raid you join. Think most don't want to remove the feature that you can fill up raids in progress.

Of course SE would then forget to make sure if someone immediately leaves again that they would get a 30 minute DF penalty.

[Tazo]

So glad I decided to level PLD