Healer Guide/Class Comparison

[Marcusow86]

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If your understanding of sentences and your capability of reading through the whole thread is BAD, let me rephrase it so that you can at least keep up on what we are discussing right now.

1. OP compare the functionality of SCH as though SCH can cast instantly all of their skill with perfect coordination to cover both MT healing and AOE heal. Thus i counter stated that in a GCD, a SCH can only do just that much as compare to WHM. Meaning, if we were to heal MT, we will cover less in AOE heals.

2. Pressing one or two buttons? So tell me how many button a WHM need to press? One or two button is when everything goes the way it goes, DPS taking no extra damage, tank dodging shit, etc. What happen most of the time is even when you macros fairy heal into your own, you will still need to split heal sooner or later due to DPS/healer taking extra hit, coupled with AOE damage on-going, tank getting hit hard, for example Titan EXT. Tell me how well you do with two button (i gave you extra, you mentioned one).

3. Am not saying is a bad thing i can do multiple thing, just saying i can't do multiple stuff in a short time. Read UP!

but it did amuse me in harder content before i was geared to see a tank drop or nearly die because i used a gcd casting regen... on the tank much less a dps

And the fault is regen not your poor judgement, because??

Please people, wake up. Who asked you to put regen on a tank when he is low in health, why regen over a directly heal in the first place? You are the cause the tank died, not regen, wake up. No amount of regen good-ness can let your tank survive, regen need time to tick! if you think embrace is a better choice over regen in that particular situation, you have your answer there. The answer is DIRECT HEAL when the tank is at low health. LEARN to judge the situation over course of action. LEARN to have better judgement.

[Alise]

So many people who hasn't beaten T5 yet posting here when the only content that tune to the max according to SE is Turn-5.

Well, I can tell you that any of the whm who said that whm can solo heal tank as good as sch. You should try playing T5 with 2 whm. Good luck on keeping the tank alive tho!. (not saying it is impossible, but I bet 95% or more people can't deal with that.)

note: don't ask tank to hide in conflag also, since sch could heal through all that, whm doesn't lose to sch, so whm should be able to do it right?

[DreamWeaver]

To Alise:

I don't see how's that suppose to be almost impossible (95% as you said), DS Infirmity can be overcome (albeit not as easily!!) by timing your Cure II to land the moment DS damage takes place, but before Infirmity is applied (Hint: Start casting when DS cast bar is 55~60%).

Since we're talking two WHMs, they can alternate Divine Seal for each Death Sentence, so... assuming 1650 base Cure II heal value, 1650 + (1650*1.3) = 3795 HP has been healed, should be enough to weather any AA/Plummet that may kill your tank .

[Alise]

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Don't forget that it is not rare at all to see the case where one healer is targeted to conflag. and many of time same person is targeted twice.
Mr A. used divine sell : (first time 2 stay, but A plan to use it first.)
Mr. B enter the conflag, leaving A alone. (so it remain A alone without Divine, he would need to use benedict of source. (or presence of mind + cure 2 spam, but he will end up no mp.)
Mr B enter conflag, again leaving A alone.. now A either run out of mp or have no emergency skill already.
Not to mention, another ground breaking part is that when the tank doesn't have defend ability, and no adlo from SCH then he is usually 1-shot. stoneskin is usually slow, and in case of one healer get into conflag, you have no time to do so. Therefore, a lot more problem compare to SCH who can manage all this very easy. (so this mean they are not equal heal for single target.) As I said that it is not impossible, but it is very hard and I bet that there will be a lot of issue/mistake despite following your method.

in SCH case, he has 6x lustrate and fairy, he can solo heal while the whm enter 2-3 conflag easily, I have seen it to even some new sch who doesn't play very long too. Why do you think every content so far have party recruitment of 2x healers, but then only Turn-5 that they specific 1 SCH 1 WHM ? It is common understanding to them that SCH and WHM are different. WHM is good at AoE, SCH is good at single heal.

Whm can cast regen into multiple person, but SCH can't call multiple fairy to embrace multiple person.
Whm can cast cure III, big AoE heal from distant that SCH can't.
Whm medica II can be used more often than SCH fairy AoE combo.

Then,..

SCH can heal tank to more than the max HP he has. SCH has double high potency when critical that Whm doesn't.
SCH can use emergency skill for 3-6 times in a short period, while WHM can only use once and WITH HUGE DELAY (working as intend wtf).
as OP explain, single target potency of fairy + SCH combine is always higher output than whm.

So people should admit that they are not equal. they strong on each different role.

[DreamWeaver]

I agree SCH is a superior healer for turn 5, but what I do not agree is you saying 2 WHM is like almost impossible.
What I am curious tho, is why you stipulate tanks cant enter conflag? o.o, if I were to run a 2 WHM team, I will always ask the tank to enter conflag, due to the fact that you are able to have two regens on the MT.

I agree that WHM is superior for AoE healing, and SCH is superior for ST healing.

But I guess this is why SCH is generally considered OVERALL superior compared to WHM, since there's not much AoE damage mechanics currently (Only notable ones are Titan and Ifrit Extreme, them exploding nails >_>).

[Sebazy]

You should try playing T5 with 2 whm. Good luck on keeping the tank alive tho!. (not saying it is impossible, but I bet 95% or more people can't deal with that.)

I typically don't use a single lustrate until after dive-bombs when we are killing the snakes. I suspect the only people who can't time cures between Death Sentence and Infirmity are the people who give up on their first try.

But I guess this is why SCH is generally considered OVERALL superior compared to WHM, since there's not much AoE damage mechanics currently (Only notable ones are Titan and Ifrit Extreme, them exploding nails >_>).

I still think you are massively overriding the situation. In 2.0 people took Plds for everything because not only did they have an 'edge' over Warriors, it was more a case that without being massively geared, wars simply were not up to the job at hand. I don't see any perception at all that SCH are considered OVERALL superior to WHM because it's just not the case. Both jobs are more than capable of dealing with any content this game has to offer right now.

[DreamWeaver]

I think I worded wrongly =\, I meant to say general perception.

As a WHM, I am able to solo heal T2 and T4, ST healing focused fights, and I have no doubt there are SCHs out there who have already done solo healing Titan EX, an AoE healing focused fight.

Thus, if a planned 2 healer fight can be done by a single healer, the "not so preferred healer" nonetheless, the one true conclusion of any WHM vs SCH argument that can be made, is both classes are 101% viable for all content in FF14 now.

[Eriane]

Who asked you to put regen on a tank when he is low in health, why regen over a directly heal in the first place?

When did i say that i used regen on a tank with low health? I'm talking about trying to apply a regen when the tank is topped of and then his face gets crit for insane amounts of damage. This is why rolling heals to land as auto attacks and scripted attacks land is so important until you outgear content anyway.

Regen costing gcd's means in any situation where you can't afford to not have a direct heal go off quickly after damage lands (or you are timing ss and heals to deal with infirmity), you often don't even use it.

As a sch i never have to make the choice.

And no one was saying regen is bad, but the circumstances where it excels are fewer.

Thus, if a planned 2 healer fight can be done by a single healer, the "not so preferred healer" nonetheless, the one true conclusion of any WHM vs SCH argument that can be made, is both classes are 101% viable for all content in FF14 now.

That is true, however you are also refering to healers that outgear content. Class imbalances don't show until content gets challenging.

Don't get me wrong, i think the classes are fine for the most part. I like playing both but benediction is a little fail compared to lustrate, and i prefer embrace to regen.

I just like my whm outfit better.

[DreamWeaver]

I understand I outgear the content I have listed, but I think my example still stands, since the healing capabilities of two i70 healers still far outstrips a single i90 healer.
Thus if ST superior healer can complete AoE focused encounters and vice versa, both healers are viable .

[Velox]

All I will say here is that most job skills are off the GCD. Regen, being a job skill, should also be. Why it isn't is beyond me, it's not like it would be any more "spam-able" with the natural cooldown, and it costs a bit of MP so overusing it leaves you OOM anyway.