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    Quote Originally Posted by Eriane View Post
    Irrelevant. They both act as a supplemental healing. The purpose is the same, the execution differs.

    Why is supplemental healing needed? Two main reasons.
    1. To patch up damage that doesn't require a direct heal and to be as efficient as possible. (Regen being cheap for the amount of healing, and the potential of healing further minor damage preemptively.)
    2. To supplement tank healing.

    Embrace is the more viable solution until 3 targets need supplemental healing without the downside of potential problems, like extra threat from overhealing, mana and wasted gcd's. Any more than 3 you may decide it would be more time efficient to use a raid heal.

    I like regen well enough but it did amuse me in harder content before i was geared to see a tank drop or nearly die because i used a gcd casting regen... on the tank much less a dps. In certain fights i don't even bother with the spell.

    Once you outgear content... well who cares?
    It is not irrelevant. One requires a cast for its healing every time healing is given. One requires a cast for 21 seconds of healing over time. They function entirely different for different purposes. It is an apples and oranges comparison. If you want to compare them, you have to take into account that they are a direct heal vs a HoT. Its not complicated or anything, any healing in any MMO is based on what type of heal it is....HoT, Direct heal, Shielded heal etc. That must be looked at when comparing and contrasting heals.

    You may as well try to compare Summoner DoTs to Black mages Direct Damage, after all both damage the target, but they do it totally differently. If you put them side by side and compare one tick of a DoT to one cast of Fire 1 without looking at the long term effects/benefits/drawbacks of each, its the same as your doing with a HoT and a direct heal. Of course Fire 1 looks better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tandy View Post
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    You cast regen on a target. You proceed to heal as normal. There is no point to casting regen on the same target as you can only refresh the duration.

    A sch is healing as normal, the fairy embraces. Why does it matter if the fairy has to keep casting? It doesn't affect you. Just think of the fairy as a free, double potency hot that has better synergy.

    Sure the fairy has to cast but regen has to tick. It only begins to out perform embrace on three targets. What fight have you done where you needed to heal 3 or more targets and had upwards of 7.5 seconds just to put hots on people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eriane View Post
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    You cast regen on a target. You proceed to heal as normal. There is no point to casting regen on the same target as you can only refresh the duration.

    A sch is healing as normal, the fairy embraces. Why does it matter if the fairy has to keep casting? It doesn't affect you. Just think of the fairy as a free, double potency hot that has better synergy. Sure the fairy has to cast but regen has to tick. It only begins to out perform embrace on three targets. What fight have you done where you needed to heal 3 or more targets and had upwards of 7.5 seconds just to put hots on people?
    The fairy healing the DPS means you have less heals for the tank, and I dont know about you but when I play in 8 man I tend to focus on the tank and the white mage handles the dmg on the group between spot heals on the tank. I micro manage my fairy too, so it is to me one of MY heals. I dont let my fairy run around like a chicken with its head cut off, blowing cooldowns and not topping people off and only casting when someone is below 80ish%. A good scholar is in control over every tool in their arsenal...fairy included. Her spells are mine, not "free" spells that just help me out.

    Also your forgetting one thing...You are acting like its one class that can pick from either one. Your comparing abilities from 2 different classes. Regen us what a white mage uses and the fairy is what a scholar uses....each is balanced in my mind with the tools they have in regards to regen and fairy heal. In other ways, they need some tinkering sure...but this is all kind of pointless since apparently the idea of a HoT vs direct heal is beyond you anyway.
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