Healer Guide/Class Comparison

[Eriane]

Your comparing a HoT to a direct heal. Each is better in different situations. It's almost apples and oranges.

Irrelevant. They both act as a supplemental healing. The purpose is the same, the execution differs.

Why is supplemental healing needed? Two main reasons.
1. To patch up damage that doesn't require a direct heal and to be as efficient as possible. (Regen being cheap for the amount of healing, and the potential of healing further minor damage preemptively.)
2. To supplement tank healing.

Embrace is the more viable solution until 3 targets need supplemental healing without the downside of potential problems, like extra threat from overhealing, mana and wasted gcd's. Any more than 3 you may decide it would be more time efficient to use a raid heal.

I like regen well enough but it did amuse me in harder content before i was geared to see a tank drop or nearly die because i used a gcd casting regen... on the tank much less a dps. In certain fights i don't even bother with the spell.

Once you outgear content... well who cares?

[Tandy]

Irrelevant. They both act as a supplemental healing. The purpose is the same, the execution differs.

Why is supplemental healing needed? Two main reasons.
1. To patch up damage that doesn't require a direct heal and to be as efficient as possible. (Regen being cheap for the amount of healing, and the potential of healing further minor damage preemptively.)
2. To supplement tank healing.

Embrace is the more viable solution until 3 targets need supplemental healing without the downside of potential problems, like extra threat from overhealing, mana and wasted gcd's. Any more than 3 you may decide it would be more time efficient to use a raid heal.

I like regen well enough but it did amuse me in harder content before i was geared to see a tank drop or nearly die because i used a gcd casting regen... on the tank much less a dps. In certain fights i don't even bother with the spell.

Once you outgear content... well who cares?

It is not irrelevant. One requires a cast for its healing every time healing is given. One requires a cast for 21 seconds of healing over time. They function entirely different for different purposes. It is an apples and oranges comparison. If you want to compare them, you have to take into account that they are a direct heal vs a HoT. Its not complicated or anything, any healing in any MMO is based on what type of heal it is....HoT, Direct heal, Shielded heal etc. That must be looked at when comparing and contrasting heals.

You may as well try to compare Summoner DoTs to Black mages Direct Damage, after all both damage the target, but they do it totally differently. If you put them side by side and compare one tick of a DoT to one cast of Fire 1 without looking at the long term effects/benefits/drawbacks of each, its the same as your doing with a HoT and a direct heal. Of course Fire 1 looks better.

[Eriane]

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You cast regen on a target. You proceed to heal as normal. There is no point to casting regen on the same target as you can only refresh the duration.

A sch is healing as normal, the fairy embraces. Why does it matter if the fairy has to keep casting? It doesn't affect you. Just think of the fairy as a free, double potency hot that has better synergy.

Sure the fairy has to cast but regen has to tick. It only begins to out perform embrace on three targets. What fight have you done where you needed to heal 3 or more targets and had upwards of 7.5 seconds just to put hots on people?

[Tandy]

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You cast regen on a target. You proceed to heal as normal. There is no point to casting regen on the same target as you can only refresh the duration.

A sch is healing as normal, the fairy embraces. Why does it matter if the fairy has to keep casting? It doesn't affect you. Just think of the fairy as a free, double potency hot that has better synergy. Sure the fairy has to cast but regen has to tick. It only begins to out perform embrace on three targets. What fight have you done where you needed to heal 3 or more targets and had upwards of 7.5 seconds just to put hots on people?

The fairy healing the DPS means you have less heals for the tank, and I dont know about you but when I play in 8 man I tend to focus on the tank and the white mage handles the dmg on the group between spot heals on the tank. I micro manage my fairy too, so it is to me one of MY heals. I dont let my fairy run around like a chicken with its head cut off, blowing cooldowns and not topping people off and only casting when someone is below 80ish%. A good scholar is in control over every tool in their arsenal...fairy included. Her spells are mine, not "free" spells that just help me out.

Also your forgetting one thing...You are acting like its one class that can pick from either one. Your comparing abilities from 2 different classes. Regen us what a white mage uses and the fairy is what a scholar uses....each is balanced in my mind with the tools they have in regards to regen and fairy heal. In other ways, they need some tinkering sure...but this is all kind of pointless since apparently the idea of a HoT vs direct heal is beyond you anyway.

[Marcusow86]

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If your understanding of sentences and your capability of reading through the whole thread is BAD, let me rephrase it so that you can at least keep up on what we are discussing right now.

1. OP compare the functionality of SCH as though SCH can cast instantly all of their skill with perfect coordination to cover both MT healing and AOE heal. Thus i counter stated that in a GCD, a SCH can only do just that much as compare to WHM. Meaning, if we were to heal MT, we will cover less in AOE heals.

2. Pressing one or two buttons? So tell me how many button a WHM need to press? One or two button is when everything goes the way it goes, DPS taking no extra damage, tank dodging shit, etc. What happen most of the time is even when you macros fairy heal into your own, you will still need to split heal sooner or later due to DPS/healer taking extra hit, coupled with AOE damage on-going, tank getting hit hard, for example Titan EXT. Tell me how well you do with two button (i gave you extra, you mentioned one).

3. Am not saying is a bad thing i can do multiple thing, just saying i can't do multiple stuff in a short time. Read UP!

but it did amuse me in harder content before i was geared to see a tank drop or nearly die because i used a gcd casting regen... on the tank much less a dps

And the fault is regen not your poor judgement, because??

Please people, wake up. Who asked you to put regen on a tank when he is low in health, why regen over a directly heal in the first place? You are the cause the tank died, not regen, wake up. No amount of regen good-ness can let your tank survive, regen need time to tick! if you think embrace is a better choice over regen in that particular situation, you have your answer there. The answer is DIRECT HEAL when the tank is at low health. LEARN to judge the situation over course of action. LEARN to have better judgement.

[Eriane]

Who asked you to put regen on a tank when he is low in health, why regen over a directly heal in the first place?

When did i say that i used regen on a tank with low health? I'm talking about trying to apply a regen when the tank is topped of and then his face gets crit for insane amounts of damage. This is why rolling heals to land as auto attacks and scripted attacks land is so important until you outgear content anyway.

Regen costing gcd's means in any situation where you can't afford to not have a direct heal go off quickly after damage lands (or you are timing ss and heals to deal with infirmity), you often don't even use it.

As a sch i never have to make the choice.

And no one was saying regen is bad, but the circumstances where it excels are fewer.

Thus, if a planned 2 healer fight can be done by a single healer, the "not so preferred healer" nonetheless, the one true conclusion of any WHM vs SCH argument that can be made, is both classes are 101% viable for all content in FF14 now.

That is true, however you are also refering to healers that outgear content. Class imbalances don't show until content gets challenging.

Don't get me wrong, i think the classes are fine for the most part. I like playing both but benediction is a little fail compared to lustrate, and i prefer embrace to regen.

I just like my whm outfit better.