Amdapor Keep Issue

[CrazyDuck]

well the 1st boss is fine and the last boss is fine but demon wall needs a tweak.

not sure if demon walls HP needs to be lowerd or only 1 Gnat spawns instead of 2.



the reason I say this is because and specialy whne I pug, if you don't have the dps or heals on demon wall you will wipe constantly.
demon wall is pretty much a DPS race but you cant really dps demon wall with certain class's in your group or certain gear.

9/10 times that I pug AK we wipe like 5 to 10 times on demon wall because the dps is just not there.
its not just pugs either, ive taken experienced players from my FC or elsewhere to wipe on demon wall.
bare in mind im a full darklight and relic paladin which has no trouble tanking.

[O_Villania]

I actually never felt it though... maybe it's just me since I went with different members in FC
(I'm WAR, once it was with FC SCH and 2 from Duty Finder, don't remember class
2nd time was full FC party: me, SCH, DRG, SMN)

both time we had first-timers so we decided not to use LB in order to get them used to it, but we never needed it...
Which class are you suggesting as "you cant really dps demon wall with certain class's in your group or certain gear"?



On the strategy side, this is a bit more painful for caster classes due to the fact you need to be on the move constantly.(they need to practice when to start casting)
As a tank, you need to pull both wasp's target (just pump Flash). this do give your DPS a bit of a breathing room, making them able to do, full DPS.
eat the AoE from bee if you have to. healer should be able to get you out of paralyze fast, since the pure damage from the from the wall is ridiculusly low for a boss battle.

If people are stepping into the bog/being pushed off from the bridge and complaining this is hard, that's a whole different problem, as evasion skill needs to practiced for any end game contents in this game...
(Wait until you see HM Titan...)

[StormCeritus]

Demon Wall is quite easy once you know the mechanics. As for the Bee's I usually use LB on the left one and burn the other one. Also it helps to Focus target the boss so when your killing the bee's you can see exactly when the boss is casting repell so you can be ready for it. Other than that its just simply doing the mechanics

[CrazyDuck]

not in pugs, demon wall is not I can tell you that, if the group lacks the dps then you will wipe a lot on demon wall, that boss just needs a minor nerf to make sure that pug's can do it or players are just going to get mad and quit,already enough problems with pugging as it is without pugs not being able to progress because of 1 minor boss.

[Serade]

Odd in full DL + Ifrit weapons during release week we had no trouble killing the demon wall right after the second repel.

I feel as if maybe the issue is you and not the boss, there is no tweak needed, no nerf needed, it already is a simple and basic fight with 2 important mechanics. Dodge purple and don't get knocked off by repel.

[CrazyDuck]

Odd in full DL + Ifrit weapons during release week we had no trouble killing the demon wall right after the second repel.

I feel as if maybe the issue is you and not the boss, there is no tweak needed, no nerf needed, it already is a simple and basic fight with 2 important mechanics. Dodge purple and don't get knocked off by repel.

of course it is for a group with already full dark light and relic +1 what you are not realising is AK is for item lvl 50 gear and I cant see a group of item lvl 50 doing demon wall. I should know ive pugged AK enough. just get over yourself, I can tank demon wall just fine, but with no dps or heals even me being geared I aint going to stay alive very long nore is the health of demon wall going to go down.get out of the tunnel vision you see and look at it from all angles. thanks

[Valanthe_Liadon]

of course it is for a group with already full dark light and relic +1 what you are not realising is AK is for item lvl 50 gear and I cant see a group of item lvl 50 doing demon wall. I should know ive pugged AK enough. just get over yourself, I can tank demon wall just fine, but with no dps or heals even me being geared I aint going to stay alive very long nore is the health of demon wall going to go down.get out of the tunnel vision you see and look at it from all angles. thanks

I'm pretty sure AK difficulty is based on iLvl 55 gear (aka WP).

[Noahlimits]

First time I beat the wall was in a party with mainly AK + AF and GC weapons. Your argument is void, CrazyDuck.

[Teleniel]

AK can (as currently implemented) be completed with a party of 4 using:
lv44 Grand Company Weapon (you unlock lv50 by clearing this dungeon)
lv45/50 AF armor (head / body / hands / legs /feet)
lv40~50 waist / accessories.

Any problems you have with DPS come from either a lack of understanding of the job you're playing, or a lack of understanding of fight mechanics leading to a death. Things like : Paladin should be using Sword Oath the entire fight, Warrior should not be using defiance. Mages should be putting up instat-DOTs while moving to avoid the sludge (Aero and the like). White Mage should probably use Medica-II so they can focus more on DPS rather than single-target healing (since the wall basic attacks are un-tankable), while Sch's can use AoE dmg shields.

[Lrron]

The Demon Wall fight is not all that hard at all. It sounds more like you've ran into a string of bad luck than anything else. I've ran this several times with people only geared in AF and Wanderer's Palace gear and the fight is still quite doable. At that gear level, the gnats are a real threat but the wall shouldn't be. Typically, at the gear level I stated, people will defeat the wall when it is one repel away from locking people in the poison field. Which, to me, is normal and not panic worthy.

If you are running with people of that gear level or better and they still cannot defeat the wall, then it sounds like you are running with people who don't know how to maximize the damage of their class. This can happen a lot as people fall into a rotation they think is good but is actually sub-optimal and cripples their own damage.

As the pld tank of your runs, all I can suggest is going sword oath and helping your dps along as best as possible. Afterall, there's no risk in that since Demon Wall doesn't care about threat generation. However, if you're over geared, then you can simply tank both gnats and tell your dps to focus on the wall till the battle is over. That should also alleviate your troubles.

In the end though, I don't think a tweak is needed. It is a very generous dps race fight.