Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Kailok]

I agree with most of your post though. The Wards are disorganized. Someone suggested something about a single npc per catagory, which isn't bad... but it still doesn't allow for actual shops. Part of the problem I think, was that SE expected people to deal in a few certain areas, not all possible crafts, Resulting in huge fleamarkets rather than specific shops.

I had an idea for this a little while back: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...lease-everyone.

It was pretty much a mix between AH and MW that could please both the people who like to browse, and those who like convenience, all while giving the "feel" of a large Bazaar-type area. Right now, browsing for gear in a dark hallway seems like a black market to me >.>

[Chezen]

I had an idea for this a little while back: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...lease-everyone.

It was pretty much a mix between AH and MW that could please both the people who like to browse, and those who like convenience, all while giving the "feel" of a large Bazaar-type area. Right now, browsing for gear in a dark hallway seems like a black market to me >.>

Lol about the black market.

My issue with your proposal is that it takes away the possibilty of people having their own stores, or any possible game ideas that might be associated with that. Plus I really love my retainers.

Another thing that will happen (and one reason I don't care for AHs), is people all crowding around one particuliar NPC, which isn't very market-like to me. It also takes away the shop experience that some of us like.

I think your solution is good, but it won't address certain things.

How to let people have their stores and keep it organized, I admit that un's a biggie.

[normalforce]

Lol about the black market.

My issue with your proposal is that it takes away the possibilty of people having their own stores, or any possible game ideas that might be associated with that. Plus I really love my retainers.

Another thing that will happen (and one reason I don't care for AHs), is people all crowding around one particuliar NPC, which isn't very market-like to me. It also takes away the shop experience that some of us like.

I think your solution is good, but it won't address certain things.

How to let people have their stores and keep it organized, I admit that un's a biggie.

Not to veer too far off topic, but I've seen you mention stores and having retainer's eventually level up to offer more options before and I rather like that idea. (It reminds me of Recettear!) Have you given much thought about how you would advance your retainer? A few of the initial ideas that I had could be easily exploited, so other than going on a few quests for your retainer, I don't know what else could be done.

[Eldaena]

Not to veer too far off topic, but I've seen you mention stores and having retainer's eventually level up to offer more options before and I rather like that idea. (It reminds me of Recettear!) Have you given much thought about how you would advance your retainer? A few of the initial ideas that I had could be easily exploited, so other than going on a few quests for your retainer, I don't know what else could be done.

Well currently retainers do have a level on them, don't they? Maybe by the more items you sell, how much gil you make, or how many people visit the retainer could help you rank it up? It could benefit you by being able to sell more items and maybe reduce the price of stalls for you or something?

[normalforce]

Well currently retainers do have a level on them, don't they? Maybe by the more items you sell, how much gil you make, or how many people visit the retainer could help you rank it up? It could benefit you by being able to sell more items and maybe reduce the price of stalls for you or something?

Yea, there are some great perks that SE could give to us for leveling up our retainers and here's the problem as I see it. You and I could strike up a deal, right. You buy all my items, I buy all yours items and when we're done we have both spent the same amount of gil. Or some combination where you and I aren't out gil, but just a little time to buy each other's goods. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Maybe it's not such a big deal, but I see it as a simple way to exploit such a system.

[Eldaena]

Yea, there are some great perks that SE could give to us for leveling up our retainers and here's the problem as I see it. You and I could strike up a deal, right. You buy all my items, I buy all yours items and when we're done we have both spent the same amount of gil. Or some combination where you and I aren't out gil, but just a little time to buy each other's goods. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Maybe it's not such a big deal, but I see it as a simple way to exploit such a system.

Even so, I don't think that the benefits of leveling up would be so overwhelming that people would want to do that. =p

[Kailok]

Lol about the black market.

My issue with your proposal is that it takes away the possibilty of people having their own stores, or any possible game ideas that might be associated with that. Plus I really love my retainers.

Another thing that will happen (and one reason I don't care for AHs), is people all crowding around one particuliar NPC, which isn't very market-like to me. It also takes away the shop experience that some of us like.

I think your solution is good, but it won't address certain things.

How to let people have their stores and keep it organized, I admit that un's a biggie.

Thanks for the feedback on it I just like the idea of it feeling like a Bazaar. Hell, it'd be cool even if Moogles ran it or something. I remember in FFIX the Moogles were the ones who were the shop owners. Right now, I also like having people have their own shop, but the problem I have is (as I stated before) the fact that it's disorganized, and that each player's retainer takes up space. What happens when 3,000 people come back? each setting up multiple retainers but it's tough to keep your items on sale because SE just decided to start booting retainers from certain wards once it hits the cap. Representing your sales with a seperate NPC that takes up space is just going to cause server problems in the long run.

[Chezen]

Not to veer too far off topic, but I've seen you mention stores and having retainer's eventually level up to offer more options before and I rather like that idea. (It reminds me of Recettear!) Have you given much thought about how you would advance your retainer? A few of the initial ideas that I had could be easily exploited, so other than going on a few quests for your retainer, I don't know what else could be done.

I'd like to take credit for that, but it was actually Dreamer who pointed that out. I can think of some possibilities of my own though (ones that will likely annoy a few here, I appologize to you guys, but I think they sound fun). One would be that different ranks allow you access to better counters and shops. You start off with no counter, like the standing room in the wards, and work your way to "superstore". The way you earn points and reputation could be through the dollar amt of things you sell. You have to sell so much to reach it. Sell too high, no one will buy. Sell too low, you will never reach the quota. Also, the ranks will give other bonuses and rewards like tax breaks and bonus items or some such.

Those are just my ideas, I don't know what SE is planning.

Thanks for the feedback on it I just like the idea of it feeling like a Bazaar. Hell, it'd be cool even if Moogles ran it or something. I remember in FFIX the Moogles were the ones who were the shop owners. Right now, I also like having people have their own shop, but the problem I have is (as I stated before) the fact that it's disorganized, and that each player's retainer takes up space. What happens when 3,000 people come back? each setting up multiple retainers but it's tough to keep your items on sale because SE just decided to start booting retainers from certain wards once it hits the cap. Representing your sales with a seperate NPC that takes up space is just going to cause server problems in the long run.

Well... in regards to overcrowding, a lot of people might not like this idea... but maybe something better could come out of it...I think that everyone should only be allowed to have one retainer selling at a time. For organization... I don't think raising the tax would work, so I would propose that when in a ward, only things of that ward's category should be allowed to be sold, with maybe two extra slots for other things. Eventually, I would take out the long hallways in favor of a circular set up. This would cut down on running arund.

Just ideas off the top of my head, nothing more.