Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

You're absolutely right. It isn't flawed. There's nothing wrong with it. Market wards are convenient, searching for items and then running to individual NPCs is fast and efficient, they never crash, and everything I do in this game is streamlined and intuitive. No wonder everyone seems to be in favor of them and the game received such overwhelming positive feedback. Man I can't wait to get home and log in to experience all the wonderful content in XIV. Eorzea is fun to explore and totally immersive.

Now that I've used up all my sarcasm for one post I'll say this and I'll try to make it as clear as possible:

HAVING TO RUN TO DIFFERENT WARDS TO BUY EACH AND EVERY ITEM FROM INDIVIDUAL NPCS IS INCONVENIENT AND TEDIOUS. BECAUSE OF THIS THE MARKET WARDS ARE FLAWED. In fact I would say very flawed. You know what? Maybe that statement about Auction Houses that you pulled out of your ass is correct and they were flawed at first, but you know what else? That shit works now. It works in every single game that it's in and it would sure as hell work in this one whether you agree with me or not. I don't care if you have to bid for items, I don't care if you can buy them directly and I don't care if the prices are hidden or not like in FFXI. I just want to run to ONE spot, open a window, and be able to buy and sell EVERYTHING from that one spot. You can call it a Market Ward, an Auction House, a Market House, fuck it. I just want the obstacle that's in between me and buying new gear as swift and easy as possible so that I can get back out and fight the pantheon of fiends that threaten the world which do not yet exist in this game.

The reason why you run around from retainer to retainer is because it's supposed to be a MARKET!!!

[Viridiana]

The reason why you run around from retainer to retainer is because it's supposed to be a MARKET!!!

I wish I thought you were being sarcastic. . .

[Demacia]

I wish I thought you were being sarcastic. . .

Like I said before, some posts you just have to ignore.

[Renshi]

You're absolutely right. It isn't flawed. There's nothing wrong with it. Market wards are convenient, searching for items and then running to individual NPCs is fast and efficient, they never crash, and everything I do in this game is streamlined and intuitive. No wonder everyone seems to be in favor of them and the game received such overwhelming positive feedback. Man I can't wait to get home and log in to experience all the wonderful content in XIV. Eorzea is fun to explore and totally immersive.

Now that I've used up all my sarcasm for one post I'll say this and I'll try to make it as clear as possible:

HAVING TO RUN TO DIFFERENT WARDS TO BUY EACH AND EVERY ITEM FROM INDIVIDUAL NPCS IS INCONVENIENT AND TEDIOUS. BECAUSE OF THIS THE MARKET WARDS ARE FLAWED. In fact I would say very flawed. You know what? Maybe that statement about Auction Houses that you pulled out of your ass is correct and they were flawed at first, but you know what else? That shit works now. It works in every single game that it's in and it would sure as hell work in this one whether you agree with me or not. I don't care if you have to bid for items, I don't care if you can buy them directly and I don't care if the prices are hidden or not like in FFXI. I just want to run to ONE spot, open a window, and be able to buy and sell EVERYTHING from that one spot. You can call it a Market Ward, an Auction House, a Market House, fuck it. I just want the obstacle that's in between me and buying new gear to be as swift and easy as possible so that I can get back out and fight the pantheon of fiends that threaten the world which do not yet exist in this game.

Then go read the thread I've linked =)

[Vexerus]

For the love of God, Jesus and every f*cking thing that is holy in this planet, IT IS NOT FLAWED! F*ck, I bet that even the Auction House in its first implementation was bad, but they kept on fixing it. And I even bet that if the Market Wards were out and popular like the Auction House is today, you would root for a Market Ward.
It can be bettered, and this thread does give a good idea for an upgrade for it that can solve every problem you ever had with it.

Is the market wards perfect? No? Then by definition it is flawed.

Edit:
Keep retainers, abolish wards, instill AH.

[Wolfie]

When was the last time you had the wards crash on you? It has been months for me.

It's been two weeks. More importantly, those crashes would never occur or would be extremely rare with a text based interface. The MW servers, in addition to handling item and transaction information, have to store and process graphics information. It's painfully obvious that it's not a good system if you could have ~100 NPCs in a tight zone, and then tack on a probable ~100 players.

Those are light numbers. Although at this rate I highly doubt it -- if this game ever becomes popular, you're going to have THOUSANDS of retainers and THOUSANDS of people that need to use the market wards, not just the ~600 that exist now. Hardware has limitations. It's not a scalable system.

The zones are not that bad. I can see why people could get mildly irritated, but it's really not that long.

Zoning becomes a problem when 1. you have a big grocery list of things that you need to buy, and 2. if you're playing on a slower machine. It's an overhead that's not very noticeable for one or two item purchases, but when you get to 10+, it becomes a big hindrance.

They wanted to encourage people to sell in the correct ward for the majority of items they want to sell. I agree they need to increase capacity, but you know the tax for selling in the wrong ward is barely a factor. It's miniscule and we need more gil sinks anyway.

Instead of encouraging people and not succeeding, they could have just FORCED items to be automatically categorized. When you no longer have to place your zombie in a zone, the queries that retrieve its inventory no longer needs to check if it's in the right zone or not. Lances will always be found under the "Weapons" category, cloth pieces under the "Weaving supplies" category, etc. The organization structure that's in place right now barely even has an effect; I purchased a Bone Hora from the Clothiers Ward last night and lance from the Mender's Ward. It's stupid and pointless.

I'm not sure about the searches. I think they need to do more in the way of buying and selling searches, but other than that what is the problem? At least we CAN search now, unlike previously.

The search that's available now is bare minimum search functionality. Take a look at what other games' trade searches offer. Freeform text searching, searching between levels, searching based on quality, and searching based on job/class. ALL of this IN ADDITION TO having the drop down menu/menu levels that MW already has. There's also the whole business of having to run back to the entrance to stop searching, and then start a new search if you want a new item. Compare that to just typing in another item's name or browsing the tree menu down to another item and getting them directly from the menu.

And I'm sorry that you're frustrated.

That doesn't even begin to describe my feelings toward the continued support that MW gets, but thanks.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

I wish I thought you were being sarcastic. . .

What's wrong with what I said? It's the *** truth.

[Eldaena]

What's sad is it seems a lot of players on this thread are complaining about the wards and how they used to be, trying to get support for some unseen cause, when in reality the only real hassle that seems to be present is that some players do not wish to run to a retainer. That's all it really is that I can see that is causing this massive cloud of hate that makes any sense. Even though the running to the retainer is not that terrible to me, I can see how it is to some. This is the only legitimate complaint I'm reading. There are TONS that can be done to the MW to make it better, more enjoyable, and such, but it works. We have a way to sell things and search for them and buy them. Hopefully they will speed up the process soon so some players will be more satiated and have less to complain about and only helpful ideas to contribute.

[Wolfie]

What's wrong with what I said? It's the *** truth.

See what I meant when I said people would ***, Eldaena?

[Becken]

I guess something that MIGHT help the MW if they put in a way to type out what you are looking for. not just click Like looking for new armor for a pug... click item search counter>>armorfitter ward>>war gard then it breings up a list that you need to look thru. no way to sort by price or lvl of the items you are looking for. then you have to zone in the ward that retainers in find the retainer to buy the item. At least in Aion and WoW have a way to type out or by lvl what you are looking for not just a lot of clicking