Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Demacia]

When market wards are grossly inconvenient to me, yes I believe it is fair to demand an AH. Those "special" players who are willing to pay a monthly fee to grind crafts/harvesting can use their imagination on an AH window just like they would talking to a bunch of mannequins standing silently still in a tiny room. To me, there's no adventure in them desperately trying to build a game after it's been released. I just want to enjoy myself and the market wards are just one of many obstacles preventing that.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

this thread again?

[Chezen]

When market wards are grossly inconvenient to me, yes I believe it is fair to demand an AH. Those "special" players who are willing to pay a monthly fee to grind crafts/harvesting can use their imagination on an AH window just like they would talking to a bunch of mannequins standing silently still in a tiny room. To me, there's no adventure in them desperately trying to build a game after it's been released. I just want to enjoy myself and the market wards are just one of many obstacles preventing that.

Before the search function was implimented, I would agree with you that the market wards take too much time. Hours of searching stores really is too realistic. However, since adding the search funtion, the amount of time it takes is minutes. Further features could help out more.

So, while I don't think anyone wants to deny you a good time, if you can't take a few minutes out of your day to help someone else, have a good time... well that's pretty one-sided isn't it?

[Renshi]

It's annoying enough for me not to go there, yes.

And I believe this represents the majority of the non-F2P MMO market.

You can keep the wards in this state, nothing will prevent you from it. But if you happen to want players, even worse, paying customers, I think it's not the way to go.

Why's that? I mean, it's not that if you put an Auction House, then FFXIV in the P2P MMO market will get more ranks up, because you'll have the same problem as it is now. Some people will like the Auction House, some people will not.

[Gundammeister]

In all fairness, for at least some of us, the CE came with that journal thing to supplement the MW system, just didn't come with a complimentary pencil.. cheap...

Also as a minor supplement to the discussion. The term "AH" does not need to mean "FFXI's AH" or "WoW's AH". The AH is what they make of it and if it were a little closer to EVE's AH or something totally different it might not come with the problems the other ones had. And no, the MW is not a re-imagining of the AH system. If it is, I'd like to know what they were smoking when they thought it was a good substitute.

I agree that EVE has an awesome system, but could you imagine THIS community, that can't even teleport to a retainer, having to hike through entire zones to pick up the goods they just purchased!? LMAO, that would be a whine fest the likes of which this forum has never seen.

[Sephr]

Why's that? I mean, it's not that if you put an Auction House, then FFXIV in the P2P MMO market will get more ranks up, because you'll have the same problem as it is now. Some people will like the Auction House, some people will not.

Because people don't want to inconvenience themselves constantly when they're playing games for FUN. This isn't 2002 anymore, the MMO market is huge and a lot of people play. The method of exchanging with others shouldn't be so inconvenient that it divides people like this, it should be an afterthought. I doubt there are many people playing wow who go "Damn, I hate the auction house system! I wish we had a system instead where I have to search through countless static NPCs trying to find what I need, that's much more fun than any other feature of the game."

Please do Explain though. Do you want an Auction house for its Bidding Apparatus of Blind or Timed Bidding? Blind Bidding being 100% Corruptible by RMT's day one its released totally breaking the economy. Or Timed Bidding which is a feature 80% Ignored by most users when implemented as an option in a marketing system.


Or do you just want an easy to use and fast system that lets you buy and sell items without much thought.

Because You don't need an Auction house for that second option.

Right because every other MMO out there struggles with corrupt auction houses, to the point where people don't want an auction system. Those economies sure are destroyed, right?
Who cares if timed bidding is ignored? It's where you make the most money and if people actually want to invest time to see returns, that's an excellent way to do it for the 20% that use it. Right now 98% of the MMO community ignore FFXIV, does that mean it should be dropped?
Also, the market wards are not fast. Not in the slightest.

That's ENOUGH for everyone who wants an "Auction House". Are you telling me that going into the right ward and finding the retainer is a pain in the neck? Well duh, it's a motherloving Market Ward. So that means to go to the vendor and buy sh*t from him. And for finding the retainer being a problem... follow the gigantic red star and the red dot on the map?

Renshi, are you being sarcastic? It's not really coming across well and you're usually pretty switched on here.

UI based market. Say it with me guys. It doesn't matter if it's called an Auction House or a Market Ward or whatever as long as I can open a window, sort items, buy/sell them, and not have to put up with any retainer bullshit. Stop trying to get technical because we all know what the real problem is

When market wards are grossly inconvenient to me, yes I believe it is fair to demand an AH. Those "special" players who are willing to pay a monthly fee to grind crafts/harvesting can use their imagination on an AH window just like they would talking to a bunch of mannequins standing silently still in a tiny room. To me, there's no adventure in them desperately trying to build a game after it's been released. I just want to enjoy myself and the market wards are just one of many obstacles preventing that.

This, so much this. Seriously I don't understand why people are anti-AH at all. The Market wards don't actually add anything to the game, and there's no way in hell new players are going to want to trawl through all that shit just to buy a new hat. That's not the way MMOs go in this day and age, because it's not about time sinks as much as it's about having fun, remember?

I agree that EVE has an awesome system, but could you imagine THIS community, that can't even teleport to a retainer, having to hike through entire zones to pick up the goods they just purchased!? LMAO, that would be a whine fest the likes of which this forum has never seen.

I really wish people would stop referring to the MW system as 'challenging' in any way. It's not, and don't think you're superior to the people wanting an Auction House because you believe you have greater mental dexterity, purely because you enjoy menu-surfing for hours.

[viion]

I dont see the immersion at all...

100 NPC's just aimlessly, standing around, silently judging you. If you have the sound down, you can hear the little footsteps when they move, like they're about to eat you, its lifeless, its tedious, and the wards are fugly. And only like 10% of them load at a time (for me at least) so they pop/depop constantly.

[Renshi]

Uh? Nono, I really meant it =)
If you've searched an item in the Item Search feature, then go into the right ward, you'll see a big red star on the right Retainer who has the item.
Also, I just... Can't... Possibly see a feeling of pain in the neck while searching for an item in the Wards.

Anyway, I say this by not being an anti-AH fellow: We have a Market Ward system, and we should better it if we have it, not just scrap it and substitute it with an Auction House. I'm definitely not scrapping (scraping, whatever =D) the idea of having an Auction House, but if we have a Market Ward and we can better it I'd not simply gonna scrap it.

[Chezen]

I dont see the immersion at all...

100 NPC's just aimlessly, standing around, silently judging you. If you have the sound down, you can hear the little footsteps when they move, like they're about to eat you, its lifeless, its tedious, and the wards are fugly. And only like 10% of them load at a time (for me at least) so they pop/depop constantly.

That's currently. However, that same complaint has been said about the game in general. The devs have outright asked us for ideas on how to make Eorzea have more life. I personally like the quiet market wards, but I wouldn't be against a bustling central hub like some have suggested.

It's entirely possible that the current market wards were always meant to be somewhat temporary until they could get to what they had planned for them. I think there's a lot of things intended for this game that was put on the backburner due to the battle system overhaul.

[Wolfie]

That's currently. However, that same complaint has been said about the game in general. The devs have outright asked us for ideas on how to make Eorzea have more life. I personally like the quiet market wards, but I wouldn't be against a bustling central hub like some have suggested.

It's entirely possible that the current market wards were always meant to be somewhat temporary until they could get to what they had planned for them. I think there's a lot of things intended for this game that was put on the backburner due to the battle system overhaul.

I really doubt that it's meant to be temporary, when a counter/AH/text based system would be easier to implement.

The ONLY problem with MW is that it renders each retainer. That's what's causing awkwardness, zone separation, crashes, limitations, overhead, etc. If they turn the system into something that no longer renders the retainers, meaning you simply browse to a retainer from a text menu, it will be infinitely better than what it is now.