Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Kilta_Firelotus]

What part of "Remove retainer interaction and add UI based market windows" don't people understand? Little tweaks here and there don't mean shit if I have to run around and check 10 different NPCs in 10 different wards to buy 1 set of gear. What part of the current system is good? The part where you waste time or the part where you cant sell your shit?

search window is your friend use it. I get gear in 5 min. Whats your excuse?

[Viridiana]

search window is your friend use it. I get gear in 5 min. Whats your excuse?

The fact that in WoW, under the same circumstances, it would take me ~3 minutes? Really, though, it's not even about time, for me.

I repeat: It's not even about the time it takes!

It's about the fact that the system is so far from being optimized that I can already tell it's going to be a problem forever if they don't nip it in the bud. I mean that literally, by the way. If they don't cut the problem off at its source (rendering the NPCs), this will never work right.

[AngryNixon]

The current MW is like a rusty shit-box car. Sure it works, it'll get you from point A to B most of the time, slow and safe because I'm fairly sure the airbags don't work anymore and the seatbelt has been stuck for years. The Muffler might drag on the ground, your door might be half disintegrated, but it works. Sometimes you have to pour water into the coolant container on the side of the highway, but it still got you most of the way there, so hey, it's all good.

Maybe if you spray the MWs with enough Rustoleum nobody will notice it's more rust than anything else.

If that's all you aspire to then hats off, you've arrived. Bask in the dim light of mediocrity.

The "physical manifestation" of the wards is totally unnecessary when a series of menus would do the trick in half the time and, I suspect, with less weight on the servers than the current mess.

Also, I bet if SE implemented an AH exactly like the one in FFXI because they were lazy and called it The Item Exchange Place nobody would even notice and say that it was neat and interesting.

P.S. Wolfie the pink pony in your sig. has the best "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" look I've seen in a while.

[Demacia]

The current MW is like a rusty shit-box car. Sure it works, it'll get you from point A to B most of the time, slow and safe because I'm fairly sure the airbags don't work anymore and the seatbelt has been stuck for years. The Muffler might drag on the ground, your door might be half disintegrated, but it works. Sometimes you have to pour water into the coolant container on the side of the highway, but it still got you most of the way there, so hey, it's all good.

Maybe if you spray the MWs with enough Rustoleum nobody will notice it's more rust than anything else.

If that's all you aspire to then hats off, you've arrived. Bask in the dim light of mediocrity.

The "physical manifestation" of the wards is totally unnecessary when a series of menus would do the trick in half the time and, I suspect, with less weight on the servers than the current mess.

Exactly. People are getting bent out of shape over names like "MW" and "AH" but they don't consider anything else. All I see is "Durr it's fine it's easy to use wuts ur problem u hater". It's kind of tiring. Like arguing with a brick wall.

[Chezen]

Also, I bet if SE implemented an AH exactly like the one in FFXI because they were lazy and called it The Item Exchange Place nobody would even notice and say that it was neat and interesting.

Yes I would notice it, the same way I would notice if they stopped rendering my character and replaced it with an interface window. You can play a pretty efficient strategy game that way, but it's nowhere near as fun.

[Wolfie]

Yes I would notice it, the same way I would notice if they stopped rendering my character and replaced it with an interface window. You can play a pretty efficient strategy game that way, but it's nowhere near as fun.

Calling you out on your strawman. One of the primary purposes of combat and character development is to be visually appealing. The ONLY purpose of a trading system is to be user friendly, scalable, and stable. If it can be done in a visually appealing way, that's great. But when being visually appealing starts hindering those three requirements, it's time to stop pushing it.

[Chezen]

Calling you out on your strawman. One of the primary purposes of combat and character development is to be visually appealing. The ONLY purpose of a trading system is to be user friendly, scalable, and stable. If it can be done in a visually appealing way, that's great. But when being visually appealing starts hindering those three requirements, it's time to stop pushing it.

Wolfie, you (obviously) don't get what some of us are saying. We (some of us) like the shops, We (some of us) like the retainers. It's not a "strawman", it's not even really an argument. I like the idea of the wards being another interactive place to spend my time and play a game.

I get that not everyone likes that, but until SE changes it, that is this game's design. I want to see it work, not throw it out. That is all.

I understand people like the idea of setting up their own shops, but the way real Bazaars (let's admit it, they're trying for a bazaar here) worked was like a flea market. You would bring the things you had, sell them to a merchant, and then that person would turn it around and sell it for a profit. I'm not saying the wards should be like that. In FFXIV the "merchants" should be hired to sell for you, and then you give them a tax for their services. Not EVERYONE in the city has the potential to be a merchant. The cities need to have NPCs specifically designed for selling your items. Can have a few in the same zone, spread out a bit to reduce area lag which seems to be such a big problem for people right now.

Also, I agree that it doesn't matter how long it takes. What matters to me is that it's unorganized and unstable.

I really appriciate that at least you try to find some compromise, thank you.

The bolded part stands out to me. Obviously the real issue is too many people selling too many different things. SE already said they were going to streamline the crafting items, so that should help, but I wonder if a system could be worked out... that the lower levels have to sell through the general merchant like you say... and work their way to owning a store.

Obviously many, many things would have to be worked out for that idea to work, but that's how ideas start.

[Wolfie]

Wolfie, you (obviously) don't get what some of us are saying. We (some of us) like the shops, We (some of us) like the retainers. It's not a "strawman", it's not even really an argument. I like the idea of the wards being another interactive place to spend my time and play a game.

I get that not everyone likes that, but until SE changes it, that is this game's design. I want to see it work, not throw it out. That is all.

Yes, I understand perfectly well that you're emotionally invested in a poor feature. That's why I'm here doing my damned hardest to make logical posts with examples and explanations, so that hopefully, some of you guys will see why it's bad to be emotionally invested in MW, what its weaknesses are, and what the solutions are.

[Demacia]

Wolfie, you (obviously) don't get what some of us are saying. We (some of us) like the shops, We (some of us) like the retainers. It's not a "strawman", it's not even really an argument. I like the idea of the wards being another interactive place to spend my time and play a game.

I get that not everyone likes that, but until SE changes it, that is this game's design. I want to see it work, not throw it out. That is all.



I really appriciate that at least you try to find some compromise, thank you.

The bolded part stands out to me. Obviously the real issue is too many people selling too many different things. SE already said they were going to streamline the crafting items, so that should help, but I wonder if a system could be worked out... that the lower levels have to sell through the general merchant like you say... and work their way to owning a store.

Obviously many, many things would have to be worked out for that idea to work, but that's how ideas start.

No offense, but is it worth keeping a system that's flawed in about a hundred different ways that inconveniences EVERYONE just because a certain few people enjoy spending a lot of time checking out different random sales instead of just smoothly getting what they want? If it's immersion you want, browse through player bazaars and actually talk to them, discuss prices, etc. The only argument i'm seeing here is "Some of us like to spend lots of time running around collecting items that you should be able to buy all at once from a single spot". It ISN'T going to work. The central market should be UI based, but the option for player bazaars is always there and people DO use it.

[Mudd]

I still don't mind the market wards.. I think people complain too much on the matter tbh.
There SHOULD be an Auction House though in my opinion, just maybe limited to dealing with only certain types of merchandise?
I don't know.