caps on all side quests and missions

[weeble]

like the title says, i'd like to see all quests and missions caped. for one thing most people don't get to them till they are absolutely too easy. fact most just 1shot there way threw them and done, the challenging part is not shooting youself in head for having to do all that running around to complete them.

if there were caps it would create a challenge for all of them, it could add lots of party play and maybe a solo level cap for it (but at it's most challenging for solo rank) though i prefer all party play.

besides them needing to add way more mini bosses to these, all of them would be so much more challenging an bring fun to it with just adding a cap to them. tyvm

[Lienn]

No thanks.

Lv cap never is a good thing.

[Anty]

No thanks.

Lv cap never is a good thing.

level cap was the only reason COP was so successeful in ffxi. Caps keep people playing lower lvl content and keep it challenging. All other mmos atm not useing caps have empty zones from 1tocap and higher lvl just rush the lower lvls through the content for gear... that is what happens ALWAYS. caps are a good way of keeping diffculty up.

I really hope they give us caps on the new dungeons too.

EDIT: in case you don't know what i mean by caps. It doesnt mean higher lvls CANT do it. It means their gear and their lvl gets degraded to the cap to prevent people from goin through everything easy-mode. AFter the challenges, battles, instances are done, the cap is gone again. a simple and yet very effective system.

I rather help a low lvl friend and have fun and a challenge then just AOE my way through a dungeon and the friend sees nothing but a few effects and gets the gear... accomplishment? - none- great thing.
A lot of mmos don't use this and new players often never see some great dungeons on the way to cap, miss a lot of lore, fun and areas/content, because they get rushed through everything.

After ffxi got rid of the caps, the zones and challenges there became pointless. I bet they were listening to all the cry-for-easy-mode whiners... now theres is nothing challenging to do and this game suffers the disease of every other mmo, which it was almost immune to for a long time.

[Duelle]

No thanks.

Lv cap never is a good thing.

Seconded. Level caps were not a good thing in XI, and they won't be a good thing here.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Seconded. Level caps were not a good thing in XI, and they won't be a good thing here.

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'd like to understand why you say it is not a good thing? It's easy just to state that and not like them because it creates a challenge and doesn't make content instant facerolls, but why is that not a good thing? Everytime I think back on FFXI at the time I was playing, level cap was one of the best thing ever. The missions were fun and challenging, completing them gave me shivers and palpitations when my team and I was able to defeat the boss. In CoP, even after being a veteran of promyvion and taking everyone of my friends and even strangers through those mission, I was still getting that feeling of satisfaction and thrills every damn time. How is that a bad thing compared to now, you could just completely faceroll your way through those places by being 10+ levels over the cap it was designed around.

I don't see your point except that you want everything to be easy for everyone.

[Cutriss]

I don't see your point except that you want everything to be easy for everyone.

You remember COP quite fondly. And I know many others do.

I too had a strong sense of accomplishment when I beat COP, and also when I beat TOAU. However, much of that content requires five competent and time-available friends. Otherwise, you're rolling the dice over and over and over again. How many people got stuck on Promyvions and spend months throwing themselves at it before they finally got access to Tavnazia?

Short version of the above - Static parties are great but not everyone has the luxury of working with one, and pickup parties tend to suck.

So that said, I worked in the system. My wife would have sooner quit than repeatedly throw herself at the wall like that. And once the level caps got lifted, we still had fun with the content. Weird duo setups on Ouryu. We went into 8-4 with 5 people and then I couldn't even enter the battle because I got an extra cutscene in Empyreal Paradox as everyone was entering and by the time I was done, Sehlteus had already engaged and I was locked out. Still a good time had by all.

By incorporating time attack records (that DON'T disappear when the servers reset) and TWEWY-like adjustable challenge levels to droprates for loot-oriented content, you can give players the option for challenge where they want it, and easymode when they don't.

[Anty]

You remember COP quite fondly. And I know many others do.

I too had a strong sense of accomplishment when I beat COP, and also when I beat TOAU. However, much of that content requires five competent and time-available friends. Otherwise, you're rolling the dice over and over and over again. How many people got stuck on Promyvions and spend months throwing themselves at it before they finally got access to Tavnazia?

Short version of the above - Static parties are great but not everyone has the luxury of working with one, and pickup parties tend to suck.

So that said, I worked in the system. My wife would have sooner quit than repeatedly throw herself at the wall like that. And once the level caps got lifted, we still had fun with the content. Weird duo setups on Ouryu. We went into 8-4 with 5 people and then I couldn't even enter the battle because I got an extra cutscene in Empyreal Paradox as everyone was entering and by the time I was done, Sehlteus had already engaged and I was locked out. Still a good time had by all.

By incorporating time attack records (that DON'T disappear when the servers reset) and TWEWY-like adjustable challenge levels to droprates for loot-oriented content, you can give players the option for challenge where they want it, and easymode when they don't.

you didn't need a static to beat it. I had a static on one character and on my other i didn't, actually i beat cop faster on the one without static. You need to organize more perhaps but ... its 6 people, its not that much. Thats what an mmo should be about. - at least the main direction - its so sad that the market starts to de-socialize the mmos more and more.
A lot of the current mmos out there feel like single player rpgs without proper content... and you get the reminder that other people play it looking at the crappy global chat where one brain fart meets the other....

Mmo communities needing each other also tend to be much more helpful, friendly etc. etc. then if you can solo/duo most of your way. Thats a fact.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

I will go the opposite of Lienn and say that I 100% agree. That's what made FFXI missions entertaining and always a challenge. Whats the point of outranking a mission and complete it with hardly a sweat or leeching a group of high rank in your LS.

Level cap is always a good thing. Promotes skills and challenge. If you find level capped missions too hard for you, then go learn to play some more or change your strategy. If a mission was capped at X rank, it means it was balance for X rank and doing it when you are 10-20 ranks above just destroy the purpose of it all.

[Viridiana]

As long as you mean "artificially leveled-down to the appropriate rank," and not "if you're r50, you can't do it at all," I suppose I can get behind this.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Yeah I think he meant level-down to the appropriate rank for X mission like in FFXI. Not being able to do the mission/quest after you pass a "cap" would not be really a good design