I guess I'm confused. Aren't most endgame bosses in most MMOs simple "know when to dodge, know what to stun, position, dps races"? I just kinda figured that was an mmo thing. Your so called "challenge" sounds to me like nothing more than a simple gear check, and I'm glad there is no trash on primals because grinding is not skill or challenge. What pVe have you ever played that WAS a challenge?