Best in Slot for SMN after 2.1?

[horaiyo]

After reading the numbers and theories, I've decided I'm just going to try and balance stats out while maintaining 443-448 accuracy and i90 and call it good lol. Once I get boots/helm from coil I'll pretty much have every item to mix and match with, so I'll just tinker around and see what I like.

[KaosPrimeZero]

So SMN acc cap is around 450 for Turn 5? I know Melee is around 480. Is 450 not a bit low?

[Maelwys]

So SMN acc cap is around 450 for Turn 5? I know Melee is around 480. Is 450 not a bit low?

If memory serves, the caster accuracy cap for current content (includes Coil T5) is ~435.
The reason people go higher on SMN is because pets have a higher cap (and don't inherit food buffs) so ~445 or slightly higher is required.

Melee Acc Cap in T5 is somewhere between 473 and 482.
It will be incredibly rare for you to miss with anything over 472 accuracy, to the point where I'd be triple-checking my log just to make sure it happened... but people have reported the (VERY occasional) miss up to 481 accuracy. Most notably on the T5 snakes.

[KaosPrimeZero]

If memory serves, the caster accuracy cap for current content (includes Coil T5) is ~435.
The reason people go higher on SMN is because pets have a higher cap (and don't inherit food buffs) so ~445 or slightly higher is required.

Melee Acc Cap in T5 is somewhere between 473 and 482.
It will be incredibly rare for you to miss with anything over 472 accuracy, to the point where I'd be triple-checking my log just to make sure it happened... but people have reported the (VERY occasional) miss up to 481 accuracy. Most notably on the T5 snakes.

Cool, been a while since i played SMN though it was my main till i had to change to MNK. However i really want to pick it back up now. With MNK now just requiring Allagan gear, not much else i can improve on other than Myth hands however the CT hands are good enough for all content now. Seems a waste so now i can invest in SMN

[NewSinz]

Dear god, new summoner, mind blown.... *Runs off to his rock and hides under it* This is not the post Im looking for.

[Kalandros]

Yea I just can't trust any of these "Simulations", these "theoretically calculated damage results" are just not backed by any precise data as the game itself doesn't give that much info out.
I'll keep going with what I feel is best for me.

[T0rin]

Yea I just can't trust any of these "Simulations", these "theoretically calculated damage results" are just not backed by any precise data as the game itself doesn't give that much info out.
I'll keep going with what I feel is best for me.

So you're saying... you'd rather "trust your feelings", than provable math and simulated rotations that you, yourself, can verify look legit? Ok, that sounds like a great idea. The game gives out precise data, numbers on your screen. Take those numbers, compare them to the given formula. They match? Guess what, now you can prove what is actually better, not what just "feels best".

DTR BiS - 94904

CRT BiS - 94556

CRT BiS w/ Allagan head - 94670

how is it possible for the 17 determination from AF2 pants to outweigh the 34 crit from Allagan? Can someone explain how allagan is not BiS?

It isn't. But the reason myth pants are better in that set is because the set drops myth gloves for allagan gloves (which are a lot more damage) and uses myth pants as a means to make up for the lost accuracy. There is no such thing as BiS for an individual slot, because all that matters is the set as a whole. (because of accuracy)

It isn't, but a lot of people jump on bandwagons & theorycraft math without regard to rotation / class / purpose.

IN reality if you get even 1 more crit from the extra crit rate it would be more DPS than the 17 det. Det is not a guaranteed increase in damage, it's a slight raise to the lower/higher damage window ranges. The actual damage can fall into the same range as someone with less det (or even hit lower than someone with less det) many times throughout a fight.

Only the lowest possible damage hit from both windows would guarantee that more DET is a slight increase in damage, and the same is true for the highest possible hit (within a few damage).

Since both stats are essentially "chance" increases, I rather bet on crit than Det. Though some of the best crit pieces come with det anyway.

Why do you continue to simply outright ignore the math, the only one part of this that can be proven at all? Why do you continue to suggest RNG related reason for why one thing is better than another? You do realize, that over any substantial amount of time, all of this simply averages out, and any scenario you might imagine where RNG goes bad for one set and not for another, is simply NOT a good way to compare what is better than another. You're making very vague generalization about theoretical situations, that if you look at the underlying math (1 point of crit DOES actually average out to be a specific amount of added damage, just like DTR, just like SS, just like INT, just like WD), it can easily prove which stat is better. Take the formula, do the math. DTR is very easily a better stat for average damage added. RNG does not matter. Getting lucky on a crit and not on a couple damage rolls, does absolutely NOT make one stat better or worse than another.

The only bandwagoning going on here is bandwagoning on the side of provable math, which we've lacked for so long.

In reality, the 'old' BiS set (CRT heavy) is almost (within 0.5%) as good as the DTR heavy BiS. There is no reason to argue the merits of CRT in the current SMN itemization. A CRT heavy BiS is just as good as a DTR heavy BiS. But all this vague rationalization going on is doing absolutely nothing to contribute to the conversation, all it does is confuse the issue for people who haven't taken the time to read all the actual proof.

[Kimahri123]

DTR BiS - 94904

CRT BiS - 94556

CRT BiS w/ Allagan head - 94670

Sorry, for a noob like me who got lost in the 17 pages here, can you please help me figure out what sets these three are? Sorry! ><

[T0rin]

Sorry, for a noob like me who got lost in the 17 pages here, can you please help me figure out what sets these three are? Sorry! ><

Simulated single target rotations with different sets of gear, to try to show how spell speed affects damage output, and to put some 'reality' to all this theorycrafting.

[Kimahri123]

oh I meant like what pieces in each slots.