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  1. #131
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    indira's Avatar
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    Indira Cliodhna
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    theres the people who blame you when things dont go there way even though there not paying attention and whining in chat the whole time, its really there fault regardless of what i90 equipment you have.
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  2. #132
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    Dwindle Blight
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    Fisher Lv 70
    <-- i83 monk outDPSing full i90's.

    I ain't even mad.
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  3. #133
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    Nanaho's Avatar
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    Palamula Anamaleth
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    Faerie
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    Lancer Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser_Rage View Post
    This is only on my server and from what "I" have seen. I don't know what happens on your server. Here is your BiS by the way. 6 Bis for drg are allagan, 4 Bis for drg are myth. So the fact that you said MOST is a complete lie. Some of your myth gear is BiS.

    Here is the proof. http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/2180/Dragoon-Best-in-Slot Dont make false statements about BiS. I have a DRG as well.
    you think DRG is my only job? in fact, DRG aint even my Main, WAR is my main on this Toon that shows, MNK is my main on my other Toon, followdd by BRD (which for almost every slot, BIS is Myth gear) but hey, Just me Making false statements about Jobs i never even mentioned ^_^ lawl. morons.

    Also, as an Edit: BIS Pieces differ from player to player, if you hit Acc cap on everything we need (which is pretty low btw) then you go for other things, my DRG Goes for Crit, which in that Sense, makes damn near all the Myth gear useless except Body and Legs i believe? Never looked into DRG Myth too much, been gearing up my Warrior. I wouldnt be caught dead wearing most of the DRG Myth though, doesnt have the Stats that i'd want to push the job in the direction i want to take it.

    I didn't Mention DRG being the job i was talking about, so don't sit there and Assume is all im saying, instead ot flapping your ignorant gums, take some time to consider the Realm of possibility that says i could be talking about a different class, in that case, i was rthinking mostly on BRD, because damn near every Main slot piece is Myth BIS, could have changed since i last looked, havnt checked out too much of the Extreme primal gear for Aiming.

    That particular link, i would not use allagan Gloves/Legs, id use Myth Legs, and Onion gloves. because my Acc is far above 475 without those. and id like Crit to maximise overall DPS. the Rings, dont got much choice there, No Crit rate rings that are i90 for DRG, unless Vortex Ring has it? Never looked into it yet, havnt gotten into those too much. Wrist, i belive? Ifrits EX Wrist is better then that now.

    Don't post links to out dated "BIS" please. thanks.
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    Last edited by Nanaho; 01-10-2014 at 04:58 AM.

  4. #134
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    Shurelia Chan
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaho View Post
    you think DRG is my only job? in fact, DRG aint even my Main, WAR is my main on this Toon that shows, MNK is my main on my other Toon, followdd by BRD (which for almost every slot, BIS is Myth gear) but hey, Just me Making false statements about Jobs i never even mentioned ^_^ lawl. morons.

    Also, as an Edit: BIS Pieces differ from player to player, if you hit Acc cap on everything we need (which is pretty low btw) then you go for other things, my DRG Goes for Crit, which in that Sense, makes damn near all the Myth gear useless except Body and Legs i believe? Never looked into DRG Myth too much, been gearing up my Warrior. I wouldnt be caught dead wearing most of the DRG Myth though, doesnt have the Stats that i'd want to push the job in the direction i want to take it.

    I didn't Mention DRG being the job i was talking about, so don't sit there and Assume is all im saying, instead ot flapping your ignorant gums, take some time to consider the Realm of possibility that says i could be talking about a different class, in that case, i was rthinking mostly on BRD, because damn near every Main slot piece is Myth BIS, could have changed since i last looked, havnt checked out too much of the Extreme primal gear for Aiming.

    That particular link, i would not use allagan Gloves/Legs, id use Myth Legs, and Onion gloves. because my Acc is far above 475 without those. and id like Crit to maximise overall DPS. the Rings, dont got much choice there, No Crit rate rings that are i90 for DRG, unless Vortex Ring has it? Never looked into it yet, havnt gotten into those too much. Wrist, i belive? Ifrits EX Wrist is better then that now.

    Don't post links to out dated "BIS" please. thanks.
    For the sake of guiding new players away from bad info...

    First: Best in slot means exactly that - best in slot. WAR is the only job with two actual different kinds of BiS setups solely because of how they work (one for OT, one for MT). Outside of that, there are some jobs with different secondary stat BiS lists because their stat weights are so close together (a good example being BLM), but for the large majority of jobs this isn't so. BRD 2.1 BiS is mostly Allagan with 3 or 4 pieces being myth (body, gloves, belt), a far cry from it being "for almost every slot". DRG stat weights have shown (through extensive testing) that STR is more than triple the value of any secondary stat and using the Onion gloves over an ilvl 90 piece is a straight downgrade no matter how you look at it.

    The person you quoted mentioned DRG because, well, your forum class is toggled to your Lancer. Your original post didn't state what job you were referring to so it's only fair that forum goers just assumed you were talking about the job you have listed on the forum display.
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    Last edited by Deculture; 01-10-2014 at 05:19 AM.

  5. #135
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    Kaiser Rage
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    Well based on the forums it said drg was your character.

    Yes i agree that drg needs crit.

    Your acc is 461 which is below the cap that tanks should have. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1266243/

    War BiS has 4 slot allocations. Which you have 0. It could be 5, but allagan helm is not easy to get. but based on what i see.. it seems you are buying yourself to ilv90

    THANKS DECULTURE!!! You explained exactly what i have been saying.

    Also here is my character info so you dont go assuing stuff about me Nanaho. I still need BiS, but im not buying most of my stuff. :P And some stuff doesn't drop I need belt and neck. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4709335/
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    Last edited by Kaiser_Rage; 01-10-2014 at 05:26 AM.

  6. #136
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    S'niryn Knala
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    Scholar Lv 90
    fact is ppl need to stop acting like coil gear is the better gear just because its a random drop! The only coil item that could possibly show someone is a skilled player (or at least has a skilled group to run with) is allagan weapons, T1-T4 are not hard and can easily be downed every week with random geared players, the drops are the same as myth gear (in ilvl) and in some jobs (my main SCH for example) myth gear is the priority BiS gear. Now with the addition of EX acc's there is NO coil acc better for a SCH its full myth and 1 ruda EX ring.

    Only 2 coil drops are better than myth gear beyond the allagan book of healing!
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  7. #137
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    Tazo Yoshi
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser_Rage View Post
    Well based on the forums it said drg was your character.

    Yes i agree that drg needs crit.

    Your acc is 461 which is below the cap that tanks should have. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1266243/

    War BiS has 4 slot allocations. Which you have 0. It could be 5, but allagan helm is not easy to get. but based on what i see.. it seems you are buying yourself to ilv90

    THANKS DECULTURE!!! You explained exactly what i have been saying.

    Also here is my character info so you dont go assuing stuff about me Nanaho. I still need BiS, but im not buying most of my stuff. :P And some stuff doesn't drop I need belt and neck. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4709335/
    No stoneskin and no Mercy Stroke?!? Oo!
    #slacking #gimp
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  8. #138
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    Dalavon Ettore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyas View Post
    I call bs on this one. I haven\\'t even touched coil yet because I don\\'t yet have the time to get seven people together and wipe for hours trying to learn the fights. I\\'m an i90 myth war, ever since I\\'ve \\'geared up\\' relic\\'d myth etc I never lose hate unless I want to, no matter how geared the dps/heals, full i90 allagan pld/war? The one\\'s I\\'ve played with aren\\'t good enough to keep hate if I focus fire on my i74ish blm. (twelve help them when I went aoe mode)

    Where you get your gear doesn\\'t make you \\'better\\'. Okay maybe if it was from Twintania, but that\\'s only if it\\'s for the job you actually beat it on.
    Hey. Just pointing out that the first fellow CLEARLY stated that what he said was not directed at anyone, and was a safe generalization. On top of that, the part you quoted said: probably. Don\\'t get so butt hurt for no reason
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  9. #139
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    Adun Centennial
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Full i90s does not make you the best

    Your so-called assumption of BiS items for each class of i90s also does not make you the best.

    Delivering the highest dps does not make you the best because this does not apply to healer/tanker

    It all comes down to how you manage your class, maximize rotation and be fully alert/focused in every single battle. And remember, there is always someone better than you out there no matter what, so nobody can claim himself the best there is but he can claim himself good/expert.

    Simple and straightforward.

    However, having yourself undergeared in battle is also definitely not going to make you the best either.
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    Last edited by SilverRhythm; 01-10-2014 at 12:20 PM.

  10. #140
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    Kris Hero
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    When running Titan I noticed that most people were extremely overgeared (had full DL and some Hero's and garuda/ifrit weapon) and still died much too often. Clearly the gear was there, but they did not have the skill needed to beat it. So the gear will never be enough to get them through Titan.
    Personally I feel that skill (knowing enemy rotations/ positioning) is more important than gear. Most bosses will kill in a few hits despite having better gear, so still plays a bigger factor.
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