i90 Does not make you a good player

[Slickpig]

So from what I'm reading, because I grind for hours and upgrade my myth equip, I'm a worse player than someone who got carried through coil and got a lucky drop after 30min? I really don't thing anyone can make this argument. Seems like someone who has far more play time would tend to be a "better player" than someone who gets carried through T1+ and gets lucky drops. In my grinding, I've played with MANY DD's who only had artifact and a company weapon, and did much more damage then a player with relic on the same job. It's all about learning your job.

Honestly, this seems like a thread made to justify "look at me I passed coil and you didn't so my I90 is better than your I90 gear"

[Toranja]

i90 Does not make you a good player

It's true. I'm mostly i90 and I'm a terrible player. How do I carry on with my life? I don't. I'm actually a ghost. *plottwist*

[Staris]

Your confused. When we look for players we want skilled players and i90 gear.
Unfortunately its difficult and time consuming to measure skill before doing something.
So yeah.... i90 or go away. Half the equation is done before even starting.

[Slickpig]

Honestly, the bottom line actually is this:

Beating WP SR's over and over again doesn't make you a good player, and the Mythology Tomestone instances should be much harder and require more thought and skill to complete.

You want gear to represent skill (As do I). In most cases a full ilvl90 player today still has a higher probability of being skilled. Wait 2 more months, and then you will see the unskilled Myth Cappers in full AF+1 who hav eno idea what theyre doing after WP and AK.

Just be cause they don't know the fights doesn't me they don't know what they are doing, they just haven't done it before to learn the mechanics just like ANYONE'S first time through. Give them one time through and they will be fine, plus they will have the gear that just might keep the party alive that first time through. Seems like you would actually want myth geared people to do coil right? Or are you perfect in every new fight? Like magic?

[MurakumoMillennium]

in FFXI if you were good you could solo things naked.

Uhhh no you couldn't. Gear in FFXI meant just as much, if not more, than it does in this game.

People who use Ilevel as a basis for anything deserve to be shipped back to WoW.

I still can't believe they put that horrible thing in this game. Ilevel is the go to number for mindless Goombas.

I don't think you understand just how incredibly important gear is. Yeah yeah, skill > gear, but gear is very important. It doesn't matter how skilled you are if your ilvl is so low that you simply can't reach the required output for any given fight. When you know nothing about a person other than the gear they're wearing, the one with higher ilvl is always the safer bet. Always. Not sometimes. Not occasionally. Always.

[Kinseykinz]

i see a big difference skill wise in people who "buy" their ilv90 compared to those who "earn" them.

So what if I'm on my Myth mostly geared main class because I preferred that gear, but have an Allagan mostly geared Sub. Am I now magically better on my Sub? You're judging my ability simply on whether my 'iLvL 90 gear' is dungeon dropped or Myth dropped is ALSO not fair, and assumes a lot.

Of course people shouldn't be dicks about gear....but judging 'well...but you don't have the REAL iLvl 90 gear is lame too'
And this isn't even taking into consideration that RNG and whether or not you are able to static BC, has a lot to do with what gear you do or don't have.

[Colt47]

There seems to be a couple of issues cropping up in here that are making this entire discussion go in a circle. First off this game is pattern memorization. iLvL is a whole different barometric and while it does effect the outcome of a fight, it does not fully determine how much pattern memorization an individual has done in the game. Even Titan Extreme mode is largely a pattern memorization game, which is why people who have done the fight through a ton start saying it is doable while for those who haven't started or beaten it yet say it is impossible.

So yes, iLvL does not determine solely how effective a player is at the game. However, the iLvL does determine what content a person has the ability to access. It also determines how difficult a fight will be to complete because the closer someone is to the minimum gear score, the longer the fight will take and the more time there is for people to mess up.

Another factor is how well a given player has learned the basic rules of play in the game: Does he realize he needs to move out of red ground patterns? Does the player in question know the correct order of abilities on his action bar to maximize his effectiveness?

Finally, there is the players physical and mental condition. If someone is coming back from a long day at work and are mentally exhausted, the chances of them completing any challenge in the game is going to suffer. This is why in general it's not the best idea to be spending hours and hours smashing ones head on a fight for days on end, and just to focus on a few good days where people aren't feeling like they are mentally battered.

[Sygmaelle]

I guess my main point is that having full i90 doesn't give you a right to act like you're better than everyone else (not that anything really gives you the right). Especially when 100% of it is myth bought.

I'm not saying being full myth makes you a bad player, I just found my experiences with elitism being with those who were majority myth'd out.

I just love the biggest jerk with full i90 being the worst person in the party.

or they are you know, people like me that never see drops in Coils ^^'

People just aren't going to survive Titan HM with 2800 HP.

This is plain out wrong. Did relic runs multiple times with blm havin 2900 hp and they wouldnt die at all on titan hm. Ok its 2900 and not 2800 but still

[Doo]

or they are you know, people like me that never see drops in Coils ^^'

I finally saw a piece drop last night and won the roll. I am now a good player because I have allagan.

[AzumaKun]

Your confused. When we look for players we want skilled players and i90 gear.
Unfortunately its difficult and time consuming to measure skill before doing something.
So yeah.... i90 or go away. Half the equation is done before even starting.

Compensating for your groups lack of said skill.

Protips.