i90 Does not make you a good player

[Versiroth]

Wait... people are looked down upon for having myth gear now? How about just saying "I don't like arrogant people"? Myth armor does make you better at your job. Even if full myth isn't "BiS", having full myth will still make you do your job better. I farm myth with the daily roulettes and I plan on buying full for my Warrior. First, I don't have time for coil... I play when I can play and I won't drop RL stuff just to make sure I'm available for several hours once a week. Second, I love the way my Warrior's myth set looks. I'd rather be slightly poorer than a min/maxer and look the way I want to.

Either way, the point is, yes, having myth armor/Relic does make one better at playing their job. It gives tanks more health/enmity, it gives healers bigger heals, it gives DD more DPS. Generalizing and saying myth players are more likely to be bad due to how they obtained their gear laughable at best. Some players are bad regardless of gear and some players are arrogant regardless of gear. Lets not lump everyone together because you've ran into some bad apples.

[Edenholt]

It's dumb to be so demanding about gear in a game so heavily dependent on RGN. On my very first coil run we dropped the shield on t1 and i lost it by rolling 2 on a need roll. I go there every week and never saw that shield drop anymore. Actually, since I got my boots and belt I never again saw any tank drop. It doesn't make me a worse or better player. I downed Garuda EX on my first attempts as tank and we wipe because of the SMN killing the plume. I've seem allagan BLM dying for the first boss in haukke HM only to right after see a SMN without relic to make me wanna lvl my ARC to lvl 50. I went to coil with awesomely geared people who spent the entire run dying for convenient lag, who never interrupted or that could not attack the right mob.

Remove the RGN from the game and allow people to get gear based on performance, THEN you can claim that gear's equal to skill.

[Versiroth]

After reading more of the thread, I completely agree that gear doesn't automatically = skill, but at the same time, having good gear (myth or otherwise) doesn't automatically =/= skill either. Again, some people are just arrogant and unfriendly. I've been the same tank through out my gearing experience. I research fights that require movement and placement, I dodge AOEs, I rotate my CDs, I preload IB when I know a big hit is coming, etc. I can tell you this for certain... obtaining my relic and some myth has definitely made my skill show much more. When I first hit 50, it was hard to hold aggro and stay alive even when I did use everything properly. Now, with the added stats from the gear, I'm able to do the same things I did before and actually succeed. So again, gear may not equal skill, but it is most definitely a must if you want to perform well.

On a related note, I'm also always very nice and I've explained the same strategies to new players in dungeons each time they've asked without once being an ass about it. Honestly, to me, it's the tanks job to lead the group. If you don't want to be a good leader, pick a different class.

[Gezeru]

ilvl gear just improves stats to make the fight easier. Players should be judged on their achievements in game. I think we should have better access of seeing players' achievements to judge the quality of the player. Of course, downing twintania is more of an achievement than downing primals, even extremes. So I would like to see achievements that state not only when it was completed but the average gear ilvl you had. It might give clues that either they were carried or you have found a legendary awesome player.

Obligatory ending statement: I have ilvl95 weapon so this means I'm an awesome player

[Ri_ri]

I think we should have better access of seeing players' achievements to judge the quality of the player.

LOOKING FOR MORE WP ILVL 90+ LINK ACHIEVEMENT

[Kyana]

lv90 make you a better player then the lv50 guy no matter what.

BEEP! Wrong.
It doesn't make you a better player. It makes your character stronger, nothing else.

this game sole purpose is gear level.
even if your the master of the game if your gear is too weak you lose, theres tank checks, dps checks & healer checks in this game.

That's why there is a minimum required ilvl for content now.
But that doesn't mean players with high ilvl are better, or let's say, more effective.
I can easily see a weaker geared character with good skill perform as good as a better geared character with mediocre skill.
I can also see players with high ilvl gear fail at content designed for lower ilvls.

You wouldn't believe how many ilvl75+ players fail at stuff like Titan HM. I rather take players with lower ilvl as long as they don't get kicked out by landslide, or hit by plumes or bombs everytime.

in FFXI if you were good you could solo things naked.

Not if you didn't either use Utsusemi, a pet class, some sleep/bind-bomb or run-dot tactic and were going after something stronger than "even match".

EDIT: Funny fact: A member of our FC got kicked from a Titan HM party because he had green gear (ilvl70 Mailbreaker and Darksteel armor with melds) with the explanation that he was too weak without blue gear.

[makii]

This game is a loot pinata. Any monkey could get full i90. I don't think I've ever seen an MMO with such a low bar skillwise.

Lotro after the latest update wants to have a word with you.

[Elim]

Yeah...@ a post on the first page. I wouldn't ever use that as a generalization. I'm aware that I have some non-BiS Myth gear, but I have them simply because it's an upgrade to what I had before. I'll use it until my BiS drops(if it ever does...). Myth gear =/= has not done coil or is a bad player. Coil drops are so RNG someone could clear it a hundred times and still not get their BiS.

You're right that gear =/= skill all the time though. Not even coil drops means skill. Some people could get a bunch of coil gear for their alts yet not know how to play them properly.

[OldGeezer]

They aren't better, but their chances of dying are lesser when they screw up.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Two types of players are ilvl90:

the other one has just played a long time and probably has no clue how to play their class effectively seeing as how they have no idea how to gear themselves up correctly.

The good players unlucky with loot are hovering somewhere between ilvl80-90, patiently waiting for their drops from Coil while spending Myth on their BiS pieces for a second class.

edit: Obviously this is a generalization. You do not need to post a reply defending yourself as the exception. This isn't directed at anyone specifically, but a rule of thumb you can go by when assessing the general population.

Disagree 100%. Gearing yourself up properly has no correlation to player skill. Intelligence, maybe, but not skill