i90 Does not make you a good player

[Kaiser_Rage]

It frightens me that people who spent their time spamming Wanderers Palace only and buying Titan Win now belong to the best geared players in the game.

That kinda declasses the efforts of everyone else.

Thank you! I agree 100%... Not sure if they bought titan, but the rest is right on!

[AryaUnderfoot]

i90 doesn't equal skill. That is true as I've seen highly geared tanks (tends to be easiest to notice if one is bad) that would mess up over and over again. On the other hand I have seen like i60 geared ones do a great job (for example in CT).

Also saying that "full myth set = bad player who just played for a long time" is wrong. Play with the person and see how and what they do. I'm average i90. got 3 pieces of allagan (from lower tiers if I'm not mistaken). Clear t4 reliably every week while not being in a hardcore group to do so (and cleared it way before I had full 90). So I presume I can't be that bad..

On the other hand I've seen nearly fully allaganed ones continously fail terribly.

Conclusion: Gear really doesn't indicate much about a person's skill.

[Revya]

Your Ilvl never equals skill with that job and should never be put under the same roof. The Ilvl is only proof of the length on your play time at lvl 50. Player skills comes from knowledge of your job skills, your party skills and the current fight your having..

Even with a perfect Titan extreme does not automaticly make you any good at Garuda Extreme. Same goes with other fights..

[Sasagawa]

Ilvl simply allows access to content.

Skill and honor in this game is very rare.
I strive to be the best tank I can be both as a person and a player.
my I lvl has nothing to do with my abilities as a tank or my honor as a person.

Some days I am simply shit other days I am amazing, largely depends on personal situation and attitude at the time I am playing.

[Radacci]

It's quite funny to go to TitanX as ilv 73blm, and out-dps ilv80+ ppl, cause 70% of ppl are just plain rubbish, and 99% fail for some reason, trivial or not.
even if you set ilv restrict to 85+, they will still mess up most of the time. (saw someone make 85pt, and request ppl dont suck, and i been in pt with him before...and he did less damage (blm) than tanks)
a live ilv75 is better than a dead ilv85.
I spent 100hrs on TitanX last week, and won once. Aside from that one win, all the other ilv80+ parties wipe, mostly at/before heart phase.
If you can't do it at ilv 75, you probably can't do it at ilv 85 either.
Also, even with wep/most armor parts being 80-90, my ilv on mnk is still sub80, cause DL-accessories; and that's not going to affect if i can beat Titan or not.
As long as you got ilv 80-90 wep, 3700hp, you're good to go.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

I can agree with the OP that gear shouldn't make you feel you are better player than another, however this game is GEAR based so in turn generally the more geared you are the better you can handle a fight.

I am full I lvl90 mostly myth a coil choker and a ruda EX ring, all the gear I have now is the best I could acquire the fastest between coil, myth grinding (which everyone does, and shouldn't be down played as it is a major part of this game and alone not an easy task to gear out one class even with the 450 cap) and various other dungeons and gameplay! i dnt have the time to play most do and i still mananged to ilvl 90 my SCH plus level many crafts to 50, i consider myself a highly experienced player and I am.

People need to realize no matter how gear ppl are if they never played a fight or do not know the mechanics yet they wont play very well, it doesn't matter where your gear came from as long as your character is properly geared for any fight you choose to do (and being full i90 affords you the ability to take on any fight you choose).

ilvls don't just show how long you played, its a smack in the face to all the grinding many ppl put in to say so! they very much show how experienced you are and the amount of play time you have actually put in! This shows that a player is capable of learning a fight properly and eventually will be able to perform a fight correctly once they understand it fully.

the only difference in coil gear and myth is the random factor of how you get the gear, myth is certain if you put in the time, coil is random weekly (it is totally possible someone has horrible luck and can't get any drops from coil at all and is stuck with full myth, this does not make the full myth player bad (most of them I find to be better than coil players that think clearing coil t1-t4 is such a huge accomplishment -_-)

fact is no matter how you gear out, no one is a going to be good unless they know a fight and even then the team they are with has to also be properly prepared to the fight! this is a team game, its not so much about what gear you have its how you use that gear in a fight!

TL;DR ilvl shows what the player's potential to perform is, not the actual skill they have and ppl shouldn't consider full myth as meaning bad player!

[Animarelic]

NO item level in this entire game can gauge someone's skill level.

1.Coil Drops are RNG so the class you are playing doesn't have to "Earn" the right to wear it.
2.Myth is earned over time regardless of how much skill you have.
3.Most content you can purchase a win or get carried through.

The issue is the "Egos & Entitlement" that comes with the gear. Gear in this game pretty much equates to nothing more than a "Virtual Social Status".

While Item Levels are "Supposed" to be an indication of where your skill level is, the game's design bases skill on your memory and reflexes. The ilvl increases nothing more than "Room for Error".

[Versiroth]

Wait... people are looked down upon for having myth gear now? How about just saying "I don't like arrogant people"? Myth armor does make you better at your job. Even if full myth isn't "BiS", having full myth will still make you do your job better. I farm myth with the daily roulettes and I plan on buying full for my Warrior. First, I don't have time for coil... I play when I can play and I won't drop RL stuff just to make sure I'm available for several hours once a week. Second, I love the way my Warrior's myth set looks. I'd rather be slightly poorer than a min/maxer and look the way I want to.

Either way, the point is, yes, having myth armor/Relic does make one better at playing their job. It gives tanks more health/enmity, it gives healers bigger heals, it gives DD more DPS. Generalizing and saying myth players are more likely to be bad due to how they obtained their gear laughable at best. Some players are bad regardless of gear and some players are arrogant regardless of gear. Lets not lump everyone together because you've ran into some bad apples.

[Edenholt]

It's dumb to be so demanding about gear in a game so heavily dependent on RGN. On my very first coil run we dropped the shield on t1 and i lost it by rolling 2 on a need roll. I go there every week and never saw that shield drop anymore. Actually, since I got my boots and belt I never again saw any tank drop. It doesn't make me a worse or better player. I downed Garuda EX on my first attempts as tank and we wipe because of the SMN killing the plume. I've seem allagan BLM dying for the first boss in haukke HM only to right after see a SMN without relic to make me wanna lvl my ARC to lvl 50. I went to coil with awesomely geared people who spent the entire run dying for convenient lag, who never interrupted or that could not attack the right mob.

Remove the RGN from the game and allow people to get gear based on performance, THEN you can claim that gear's equal to skill.

[Versiroth]

After reading more of the thread, I completely agree that gear doesn't automatically = skill, but at the same time, having good gear (myth or otherwise) doesn't automatically =/= skill either. Again, some people are just arrogant and unfriendly. I've been the same tank through out my gearing experience. I research fights that require movement and placement, I dodge AOEs, I rotate my CDs, I preload IB when I know a big hit is coming, etc. I can tell you this for certain... obtaining my relic and some myth has definitely made my skill show much more. When I first hit 50, it was hard to hold aggro and stay alive even when I did use everything properly. Now, with the added stats from the gear, I'm able to do the same things I did before and actually succeed. So again, gear may not equal skill, but it is most definitely a must if you want to perform well.

On a related note, I'm also always very nice and I've explained the same strategies to new players in dungeons each time they've asked without once being an ass about it. Honestly, to me, it's the tanks job to lead the group. If you don't want to be a good leader, pick a different class.