This is why your queue-time is long...

[Rekujen]

I don't normally ask "what class are you" before inviting people.. but I found this fate group setup pretty hilarious.



And this is why dungeons need an even bigger EXP buff (outside of Roulette) in 2.2...

Square, please consider increasing dungeon EXP even further for 2.2. I am very pleased with 2.1 but when DPS queues are 30-40m it's more optimal to join a FATE group and level that way.

Cheers.

[juniglee]

Spamming Flash in FATE's and getting Gold reward for them is much easier than doing actual work in a dungeon and getting ragged at for being bad...this starts a vicious cycle where they don't want to up their game and take responsibility in dungeons, preferring to spam FATE's, then not knowing how to tank when they eventually have to grind for tomes.

[SarcasmMisser]

You should of redacted names but I have to say, Blazed Llama is a pretty awesome name.

[Virtuso]

We'll I've picked up playing as a tank after 2.1 and LOVE the dungeon exp, especially roulette. While FATE sure are stupid easy to earn gold on...one time I earned gold while starting in like the last 30 seconds of the Fate, nothing but flash and a few quick hits.

I still FAR more enjoy the dungeons. But then no one's ever complained about my tanking. In fact I've walked out with loads of commendations just for level grinding in dungeons. Yet if others have had to deal with abuse I don't blame them for skipping out.

[Mazi]

Dungeon experience is great the reason it is a ton of tanks is because no one wants to deal with tanking them.

[Rochetm]

All I have left to level is blm and brd. Takes me a half hour or more to get into roulette... never get into proper level instances. Which leaves me with leves and fates... the exact same thing I was doing before the patch. Difference is that now fates are a bigger pain to complete.

Honestly setting up groups 1/1/2 and 2/2/4 was a mistake. Should have been at least 3 dps per 1 tank and healer. 1/1/4 and 2/2/8 would have been far better setups. I have yet to see an MMO pull of balance between the roles and this game is no different. I don't understand why they thought it would be.

[Rekujen]

Spamming Flash in FATE's and getting Gold reward for them is much easier than doing actual work in a dungeon and getting ragged at for being bad...this starts a vicious cycle where they don't want to up their game and take responsibility in dungeons, preferring to spam FATE's, then not knowing how to tank when they eventually have to grind for tomes.

Exactly.

There are soo many bad tanks at 50 because of the FATE system.

You should of redacted names but I have to say, Blazed Llama is a pretty awesome name.

Cheers, forgot about that.. updated OP

[Ri_ri]

Spamming Flash in FATE's and getting Gold reward for them is much easier than doing actual work in a dungeon and getting ragged at for being bad...this starts a vicious cycle where they don't want to up their game and take responsibility in dungeons, preferring to spam FATE's, then not knowing how to tank when they eventually have to grind for tomes.

Or maybe they got sick of doing the same dungeons over and over. Or don't want to play for the whole 50 minutes of a dungeon. Or want to do other things while they level.

Or maybe they want to avoid arrogant people like you and the OP.

[Lyrinn]

As far as I know, DPS queue times haven't changed much, if at all, from 2.0 so I don't think there's an issue with tanks preferring one or the other; it's just the general lack of tanks. It could also be an isolated case where a group of people are just leveling tank without actually wanting to play them - I know I'll be doing that when I get around to leveling GLD/MRD. Not saying that you're right or wrong, just that these are other possibilities.

[Thunderz]

Maybe the Fate system should be re-designed... to the point its removed from the game?? right right

Fates in XIV are not fun and doesn't teach you jack all about your class/job

gimmicky garbage is what it is