The value of Determination

[AugustusSB]

not dish it out

There is hard data to support this, in fact there is a 2.1 factored damage formula being calculated; it is not set in stone yet but the word on the street is it is closer to any other approximation we have had thus far. Here are some stat weights for certain classes, I know it is not a paladin but I'm almost positive it would not be that far off.

MNK:

WD 8.321
STR 1
DTR 0.329
CRT 0.163
SS 0.157

BRD:

WD 8.683
DEX 1.000
DTR 0.314
CRT 0.269
SS 0.126

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Reborn/page111

Dragoon data is also in that forum.

But if that doesn't fit any kind of supporting evidence, while I don't have the numbers I am in a emnity build at the moment due to gearing with maxed out i70 hq fully slotted accessories. I can take hate from BiS Paladins with a regular Curtana if I don't watch my aggro. (and no i'm not taking advantage of the sword oath bug)

[AugustusSB]

The reason you see DEX there and not STR is due to DEX being the primary Damage attribute for a Bard,

DRG is listed below:

WD: 8.488
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.323
CRT: 0.184
SS: 0.152

[AugustusSB]

Wut? Think about what your saying, even if 3DTR = 1STR were true. And we are talking soly about emnity values..wouldn't that still make it less valuable..aka less important. If we are scaling, weapon damage and STR holds more importance over DTR.

Of course STR and WP are still more important than DTR in the stat priority chain. I was never arguing this. I just didn't agree with your weights listed, because imo DTR = PARRY and would slot in above SS.

Weapon Damage> Vitality > Accuracy > Parry > Skill Speed

[Techro]

hmm all very interesting, I think accuracy does not take any kind of important role until you are doing titan and forward. i had something like 430 or lower when i was doing ifrit and garuda and never had a real issue holding aggro or missing, not to mention the insignificance of it in lower level dungeons. Now it is extremely important in Bcoil, which i believe should be 472 for melee to be 99.98%. The game it self tends to blur the lines in secondary stats and i think it is done on purpose so that someone can be an individual and not a robot. There is no bible build for endgame tanks..as far as attribute stacking. I've seen WARs with all points set to STR (as many as possible) and they just have to do some more CD juggling but do more dmg and slightly better parry rating. I've seen beefy all VIT WARS and they can clear content just the same.


Some one else here said they like the idea of skill speed which gives them faster stacks on defiance also a great idea, which works. DET does more dmg therefore generates more enmity? yea it does. Is it just as insignificant as the amount of skill speed you get from materia stacking? yes it is. Does it really matter in the end? no bc no matter which one you choose all of them lets you clear content just the same. All of these secondary stats work and they all make slight to no difference endgame which really in the end becomes a personal choice, or personal touch to your build.

[Eardstapa]

I still wouldn't call it hard data at all, since it has been changing since the beta... Get back to me when it's finally pin pointed with data that is not inclined to error. What we have is still theory crafting at its finest...

[Altimis]

I used to have a lot DTR like 290 before with food (or close)

Now I have only 238 DTR (around 240+ with food) lose -50 DTR

I test mobs level 48-49 at North Shourd and North Nathalan

Both place and mobs give me similar result, damage different ................. is 1-2

Go do it your self

[Kunkka]

Determination is the best DPS secondary stat to stack after you are acc capped. Parry is a useless stat. If you're geared, you should be specced STR on warrior for any fight but, arguably, MT twintania. With allagan axe or Dual hakken, acc problems stop. So you pretty much should stack det. Doing this basically lets you act as a dps that can also tank, adding tons of utility over your 'normal' tank-only role.

[Warrlordd]

i prefer crit for WAR because critting that inner beast can really help out your healers. also works with second wind, and should give you more healing off bloodbath too.

still undecided what should come after paladin? don't think it matters. pick one and roll with it. DET oughta help your AoE tanking a bit. Not sure if it would affect the effectiveness of flash (comments?) SS will give you faster Halone combos but i fail to see how that is significant. Crit would help your threat as well, but on a less measurable level.

[Megido]

Determination is the best DPS secondary stat to stack after you are acc capped. Parry is a useless stat. If you're geared, you should be specced STR on warrior for any fight but, arguably, MT twintania. With allagan axe or Dual hakken, acc problems stop. So you pretty much should stack det. Doing this basically lets you act as a dps that can also tank, adding tons of utility over your 'normal' tank-only role.

dat tons of utility when speccing str

protip: When tanking you basically cut your dmg (stats) by 25% while boosting the value of vit (comparatively to not tanking). Keep telling yourself that a tanks reduced dmg is totally helping the raid out. And for War the best one would be Skill Speed, not determination. That would actually give some boost to utility, if you even know what that means.

[Kyros]

Determination is the best DPS secondary stat to stack after you are acc capped. Parry is a useless stat. If you're geared, you should be specced STR on warrior for any fight but, arguably, MT twintania. With allagan axe or Dual hakken, acc problems stop. So you pretty much should stack det. Doing this basically lets you act as a dps that can also tank, adding tons of utility over your 'normal' tank-only role.

Parry is your only mitigation secondary stat and the most important after you covered Accuracy. DET SS and CRIT don't even come close.

Also, advising people to respec into STR is terrible. That's what Gryphoskin accessories are for, since they can be changed back into the (more important) Full tanking set without blowing 20k seals each time.