The value of Determination

[ArkAurelius]

So I heard people how accuracy is a must in the Coils, and how Vitality is a tanks most important trait, but what about Determination?

It reads that it affects damage from Auto Attacks, damage and HP restored. Yet rarely do I hear about it, if at all?

[Maku]

You don't hear about it because DET doesn't seem to stack well. It takes a pretty large amount of it to make a noticeable difference. I think you will find some where on here that someone did the math and 1 stat point is worth something like ~6DET. Also, I am pretty sure that the healers DET affects how much they heal for and that the DET of the target has nothing to do with it (I could be wrong about this.)

[Skull_Angel]

From what I've gone over, it stacks just fine and is normally equal in value to a class's next highest secondary attribute (after accuracy if applicable), the reason it's valued less when melding is because you can stack more attribute points from it's equal in most cases (giving the other attribute priority when melding).

[Gamemako]

It reads that it affects damage from Auto Attacks, damage and HP restored. Yet rarely do I hear about it, if at all?

It affects healing delivered, not healing received. Determination is only for damage on tanks, and damage isn't a high priority unless you're well above VIT threshold for content. Among the secondary stats, determination is second priority for PLD (parry > determination) and third priority for WAR (parry > skill speed > determination).

[WingsofWar]

The value of determination is very low especially for endgame content, the only reason determination had any positive effect for tanks was during low level building particularly before you could access your enmity building skills. The FFXIV Tanking Guide from 1.0 talked about how enmity scaled with Weapon Dmg + STR + DETRMN across the game, low level tanks held greater enmity values when determination stacked and that tank couldn't use skills like halon, or had sword/shield oath or with a combo of low level weapon for the mob vs dps with higher level weapons.

If you are already a PLD or WAR @ level 30 you should be focusing on : Weapon Damage> Vitality > Accuracy > Parry > Skill Speed

[PenutButter]

If DET stacks "poorly" than so does every other 2ndary stat. Its like when people are saying that Skill Speed only gives 0.01 sec reduction, as if the equivalence in CRT gives you 100% crit chance or something. The truth is, the same equivalence in CRT gives you a 1-2% chance increase, which, when you do the math, is actually be less DPS than the 0.01 sec reduction on the longer fights (for certain classes).

I like skill speed for war, cuz it means faster wrath stacks. Its not gonna be hugely noticeable but other stats aren't either. Personally, I think you should test the stuff yourself but if you don't want to, you can easily goggle the priorities or check Reddit or something. Even though I often don't agree with them, they do often give detailed reasonings.

[AugustusSB]

If you are already a PLD or WAR @ level 30 you should be focusing on : Weapon Damage> Vitality > Accuracy > Parry > Skill Speed

umm very wrong

3 Points of DTR = 1 point of STR = whatever amount of extra hate that generates, use the most up to date iteration of the damage formula people on the forums have been working on.

as for WARs I do not know, but determination is important for emnity generation for a PLD.

[Eardstapa]

umm very wrong

3 Points of DTR = 1 point of STR = whatever amount of extra hate that generates, use the most up to date iteration of the damage formula people on the forums have been working on.

as for WARs I do not know, but determination is important for emnity generation for a PLD.

People still do not have any hard data on this 3 Points = 1 point of Str non-sense... And it makes me laugh, considering how easy they made aggro management with 2.1, why do we need to increase the enmity we generate? And if that's the case, to make any significant difference, you would need much more determination than we can currently get. I am more interested in them doing tests on parry and dexterity for tanks than I am about doing more damage... If I am going to tank, I am there to take and mitigate damage, not dish it out.

[WingsofWar]

umm very wrong
3 Points of DTR = 1 point of STR = whatever amount of extra hate that generates, use the most up to date iteration of the damage formula people on the forums have been working on.

as for WARs I do not know, but determination is important for enmity generation for a PLD.

Wut? Think about what your saying, even if 3DTR = 1STR were true. And we are talking soly about emnity values..wouldn't that still make it less valuable..aka less important. If we are scaling, weapon damage and STR holds more importance over DTR.

People still do not have any hard data on this 3 Points = 1 point of Str non-sense... And it makes me laugh, considering how easy they made aggro management with 2.1, why do we need to increase the enmity we generate? And if that's the case, to make any significant difference, you would need much more determination than we can currently get. I am more interested in them doing tests on parry and dexterity for tanks than I am about doing more damage... If I am going to tank, I am there to take and mitigate damage, not dish it out.

my thoughts exactly, like i said before, if you were a low level GLA and you had no access to sheild oath, sword oath, and rage of halon. I can see how determination is more valueable. Weapon Damage > STR > VIT > DTR > PARRY > SKILL SPEED. But at a certain point in the progression of the class DTR becomes less valueable to a tank roll in lew of greater weapon and larger str pools making the bulk of your enmity generation. End game content is all about finding the most Accuracy and Parry you can balance.

[bokchoykn]

• 4.112 Determination = 1 Strength, in terms of damage output. This is true with all physical damage classes (replace Strength with Dexterity if you are a Bard.)
• However, unlike Strength, Determination doesn't affect your Parry DR%.
• Determination increases healing OUTPUT for healer classes, similarly to what Mind does. It does not increase healing received.

The only thing Determination does for a tank is increase the damage he outputs.

For what it's worth, I think tank DPS is pretty significant and undervalued by all, including tanks themselves. Especially for Warriors who scale better with damage stats than Paladins do. While the returns on Determination is still pretty low (just like every other secondary stat), I'm just glad it does something. It's not a useless stat. It's not an amazing stat.