PLEASE, stop teaching/telling new healers to DPS

[Havenae]

I'm laughing my ass off at all of these comments about how they get mad or they think a healer is leeching because they're not doing something every second of every minute of a dungeon.


Let me explain this to you. There as multiple jobs in a group. dps and dd deal damage, tanks soak damage, healers heal the damage away. Without the tank and the healer you're not running much of anything, so that's not much of a leech. DD and dps are a penny a dozen in this an every other MMO in existence, if anyone could be considered a leech, it's the job with the least amount of responsibility in the group. That's DD and dps. Or maybe you like it when you die in a dungeon because you didn't have somebody there sending spells your way to patch up the damage you take.

I'm not saying a healer that dpses or doesn't is either bad or awesome, thats up to the person. Personally my dps when I run dungeons isn't that great in comparison because I'm breaking rotations to chip out heals here and there, and I also often dont use cleric stance because I'm not sacrificing potency in the off chance I need to quickly pull somone out of some shit. I also do other things like keep shields up, get rid of debuffs, pick up keys or open chests to speed things along. So in the case that I do dps it's simply because I was bored. certainly not because I felt compelled as part of my responsibility of the group to help kill things. My responsibility if to keep everyone alive, yours is to tank or deal damage.

All that being said, I never 'just stand there' I'm always doing something and yes usually it's throwing dots if it isn't healing. This game is a bit different in that it actually allows healers to do things other than perpetually cast heals, and that's kind of nice. But seriously? Calling healers leeches and mooches? You people just like to end up face down in the dirt dont you?

[Artemiz]

Just had a run a couple nights ago doing Wanderer's Palace, a tank begging me to spam holy for the Slime boss fight on the adds, and to spam holy for the final boss on the tonberry adds. Really? Asking a healer to do the job that dps people are suppose to be doing? Wow. Rather pathetic. Most people just don't realize how expensive it is to cast Holy. What happens when a healer runs out of mana just because they "had" to spam holy so dps people can be lazy and ignore the mechanics of the fight. Why is it the healer's job to kill adds so dps can focus on the boss? That's just being lazy. I would never allow my self to stand next to the slime boss and risk getting the debuffs that will cripple you, and then suddenly you're marked by the boss to run away from. My job is to cleanse these debuffs and keep people alive. Furthermore, the last boss hits the tank very hard every once in a while which requires to be topped up again to full health, any less than that you run the risk of having the tank dying. I play healer to keep people alive, not to play dps. If I wanted to dps, I'd play a dps job. So ya, stop asking healers to do the dps's job. Asking a healer to dps just so dps people can be lazy does not make them a good player or learn how to do mechanics right. Maybe the healers can start telling the Paladins to go heal themselves just because they can so healers can just be lazy and dps instead. Paladin dies? it's the tank's fault for not healing to keep them up. Same logic should apply if people ask healers to dps. Oh wait...lets ask SMN to heal too since they can. Sure, SMN heals and healers can dps. Lets make this game more retarded than their intended roles. Cleric stance is there to allow healers to solo stuff, not to help dps with their laziness and shortfalls. I'll thank you to let me do my job as everyone else do their jobs as intended.

It's not about the DPS being lazy, it's about how single target damage is better than AoE for single targets, that true for all jobs. It's the fastest way to kill the boss, that's why they want you to do it, got nothing to do with lazyness. The problem you have is no matter how much you protest and say you don't have the MP or whatever there are plenty of WHM who spam Holy in WP like it's going out of fashion, and heal just fine. And yes, I'm talking about randoms picked up in DF, sure some can't but plenty can.

[Maelira]

Are you kidding me? I love holy spamming the slimes in Wanderer's Palace! And the boss is a joke for healing, honestly. I dps on my whm as often as I can - in dungeons it does help speed things up.

Obviously there are times where dps just isn't an option because you are too focused on healing. But in most in-game situations I find that there is plenty of room to both heal and dps. I see someone who solely heals as basically getting an 80 on a test(again this is for things where you have the time/room to dps). You passed, good job. You heal and dps? Yay you get a 100 and I'll put a sticker on your test too! Personally I just want to do whatever I can to maximize my potential and my contribution to the group.

[dckahyuan]

I DPS in CT most of the time.
I DPS in Garuda Ex ( Even with solo heal ).
I DPS in Titan Ex during Heart Phase.
I DPS in Turn 5 Phase 2 (Fast Conflagration).

Problem ? I set my Cleric Stance key at "E", so I can switch easily.

Seriously, WHM playing with half DPS role is more fun than standing still and heal :/

[SummonerSenah]

Playing through a dungeon I'm already familiar with as a DPS is different from as a healer. Usually when I run a dungeon for the first time as a healer, I focus just on healing. When I'm familiar with the dungeon from a healer's perspective, then I have a better idea of if/when it's okay to dps a little. Although sometimes it depends on your party's makeup as well. So you just have to get a feel for it. I definitely think it's possible but it takes time, so in that sense I agree with the OP. Let new healers learn healing first, and when they are comfortable with that, start trying to work in DPS when you can.

[Faiyez]

You MUST dps as a healer.

[lxSch]

1. Haukke Manor, i tank as pld, newbie blm, dragoon and a lv37 scholar. SCH was dpsing all time (without CS, but whatever).
2. 2nd boss, i pop all cd and still die very fast, -??? Then i noticed SCH keeps the pet on HEEL and not healing at all (fairies have very short healing radius).
3. Dragoon died 2nd and quit the team, i left too since there was no longer a penalty.
4. Profit!!!

[Artemiz]

1. Haukke Manor, i tank as pld, newbie blm, dragoon and a lv37 scholar. SCH was dpsing all time (without CS, but whatever).
2. 2nd boss, i pop all cd and still die very fast, -??? Then i noticed SCH keeps the pet on HEEL and not healing at all (fairies have very short healing radius).
3. Dragoon died 2nd and quit the team, i left too since there was no longer a penalty.
4. Profit!!!

That's just a bad healer, Haukke Manor is really easy to heal with SCH, your pet can do 80% of the healing needed and if I don't DPS in Haukke Manor I'm not doing anything for the most part. Even on the Bosses it's not hard to DPS and keep the tank nice and healthy at the same time.

One thing I would say in defence of the healer you're referring to though is that I wouldn't expect SCH to have Cleric Stance in a dungeon below level 40, Protect, Swiftcast and Stoneskin are all more important than Cleric Stance, especially in the duty finder.

[SeraviEdalborez]

That's just a bad healer, Haukke Manor is really easy to heal with SCH, your pet can do 80% of the healing needed and if I don't DPS in Haukke Manor I'm not doing anything for the most part. Even on the Bosses it's not hard to DPS and keep the tank nice and healthy at the same time.

One thing I would say in defence of the healer you're referring to though is that I wouldn't expect SCH to have Cleric Stance in a dungeon below level 40, Protect, Swiftcast and Stoneskin are all more important than Cleric Stance, especially in the duty finder.

Cleric, Protect, Swift, Aero, Stoneskin. The optimal order. Stoneskin is pretty pointless in dungeons. Protect is pretty pointless in dungeons below 20.

Actually Swift is also pretty pointless in early dungeons so I'd move it later to have Aero sooner. Nothing should be killing fairy.

[Artemiz]

Cleric, Protect, Swift, Aero, Stoneskin. The optimal order. Stoneskin is pretty pointless in dungeons. Protect is pretty pointless in dungeons below 20.

Actually Swift is also pretty pointless in early dungeons so I'd move it later to have Aero sooner. Nothing should be killing fairy.

I'm not the most confident of healers in this game but my take on it is that I take the defensive stuff first and DPS with whatever recources I have left afterwards. While leveling my priority order for cross class skills has been Swiftcast - Protect - Stoneskin - Cleric Stance - Aero. The low level stuff is easy but people are stil learning their roles, DPS pull too much hate and don't avoid battle mechanics, tanks don't have/use cooldowns as effectively and don't dodge mechanics and as the healer I'm learning too. The healer is the safety net of the group so defensive/restoration abilities come first in my opinion.

Remember this thread is about new healers, not Coil T5 seasoned vets doing low level roulette for shiggles.