Why did they changed this from version 1.0 ?

**MikoteAstra** · 01-06-2014 02:21 AM

There is something witch is bugging me a lot !

I was in the beta tests from version 1.0 and correct me if im wrong but the worlds back then were bigger and there were not those loading screens!

I remember well after the nice ship tutorial and exploration of the city you walk and walk out the city with no loading screen and you are all of a sudden outside and you see this huge world.
In Limsa were this huge bridges and under them giant frogs and behind them caves with bandits, the world was so much bigger and i really liked how you go out of the city with no loading teleportation but you had to walk out of it!

Also in Gridania you had to walk outside of the city true cave coridors, bridges and under the lamps was such a nice experience. And outside map looks the same but was so much different and bigger !

One more thing why did they changed the nice entering cinematics of the cities ? I know i know different story people are saying but they were so nice, in Udah the nice festival or in Gridania the sweet forest clip with the moogles!

And in last place the terrain texture of the game i find the one in version 1.0 so much better preattier!

Here are 2 photos witch i found in internet, and if you want to see better for what i speak about there are still clips in youtube from version 1.0 witch players play it!

**EinSoFZ** · 01-06-2014 02:23 AM

From what I can tell it was mostly because 1.0 didn't lend itself to using instances in the same way 2.0 does.

**Tupsi** · 01-06-2014 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

From what I can tell it was mostly because 1.0 didn't lend itself to using instances in the same way 2.0 does.

It's weird..but in 1.x I could change jobs, display LS (FC) crest, info and even repair myself or others in instances prior to gaining aggro - So in a way, ARR actually downgraded while trying to upgrade xD. Zones however, leads to better designed world when the designers make use of it - They didn't really make that much use of zones since overworld is useless in ARR 99% of the time, but smaller confined spaces are much better to work with.

Originally Posted by KiriA500

Wait, you described 1.0 there, yet you are defending 1.0?

You seem confused - He described ARR and most other newer MMORPGs.

**KiriA500** · 01-06-2014 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's weird..but in 1.x I could change jobs, display LS (FC) crest, info and even repair myself or others in instances prior to gaining aggro - So in away, ARR actually downgraded while trying to upgrade xD. Zones however, leads to better designed world when the designers make use of it - They didn't really make that much use of zones since overworld is useless in ARR 99% of the time, but smaller confined spaces are much better to work with.

They removed the ability to change jobs because of how you were required to class stack for specific fights. MNK was only useful in 1.0 for the AV boss, BLM the rest of the time. Screw the hell out of that game design.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

You seem confused - He described ARR and most other newer MMORPGs.

No. 1.0 was a claustrophobic, copy/pasted mess. Stop remembering it different.

**Holyhunter** · 01-06-2014 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Tupsi

You seem confused - He described ARR and most other newer MMORPGs.

KiriA was saying that his arguments against ARR are applicable to 1.0 which was full of corridors separating zones, copy pasted environments, copy pasted hubs and copy pasted NPCs.

**MikoteAstra** · 01-06-2014 04:27 AM

Some of you here are misunderstanding the discussion!

You are too focused on the copy paste thing, for witch we dont tolk about it !

Nobody here is saying that liked the copy paste thing! People are saying that they liked the big zone worlds witch were in version 1.0 including me, if instead they did not copy paste in those zones and made them unique it would be sooo much better and you could explore so much more and not to go from one little squere to another with laoding screen! The chocobob transportation is pointless, reason is that the zone fields are small !

And we are speaking for no loading screen when you go from city to the field zone and the opposite! We did not say that in version 1.0 did not have loading screens!

How a purson can like this black loading screen...you really want to tell me that you like more to sit in front of the laoding screen doing nothing, instead of going down the stairs, across the bridge and then into the filed with you char.. ? In Gridania as an example to go from one part of the city to the other you need to laod again ....why i ask you why !! And why in Uldah do i need to have a loading screen befor i enter the zone filed when i can see it true the gate and simply make 2 steps and im out !!

**Sylve** · 01-06-2014 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by MikoteAstra

You are too focused on the copy paste thing, for witch we dont tolk about it !

Nobody here is saying that liked the copy paste thing! People are saying that they liked the big zone worlds witch were in version 1.0 including me

Except ... You can't have one without the other.

One other huge problem with MMOs that have large open worlds, is zone expansion. WoW is a huge culprit in this. Every new area they implement into WoW is in its own little server. It is impossible to reach those areas on foot.
Having a super large base world is fine and dandy, until you want to make it bigger.

Now, FFXIV has a huge advantage over the 'large overworld map' design with its smaller subzones. There is nothing stopping the devs from putting a zone smack in the middle between say Central Shroud and North Shroud. All they need to do is change the North Shroud zoneline to the new zone, and a North Shroud exit on the other side of this new zone, on the World Maps, this zone would be directly on the connection path between the existing zones, giving a reason for this zone to connect the way it does.
You also avoid having entire servers go down all at once during large events (Odin im looking at you), because the subzones can go down individually without taking out everything with it.

Classic example of the above is the new Housing Areas. They needed a space to put it, so they made the space, picked a suitable location on the world map and put a zone line in a nearby zone. The subzones themselves are also expandable, shaded areas of the maps can be brought out, much like Crystal Tower did.

And finally, the maps aren't the same because Bahamut destroyed half of Eorzea. Zones accessible previously aren't accessible now because the inhabitants of Eorzea themselves can't reach them. The area beyond the Frozen Waterfall as an example.

EDIT: How could i forget, with the large overworld design, adding new areas is limited entirely on the geometry of the surrounding areas.

**Battlewrench** · 01-06-2014 02:23 AM

In before ps3 limitations! I don't know though and I think the zones now are pointless and boring.

**MikoteAstra** · 01-06-2014 02:27 AM

But what all this has to do with making the words smaller, with loading screen and with not so good terrain texture ?

**Lera** · 01-06-2014 02:26 AM

Yes i have to agree the zones in 1.0-1.23 were just amazing and beautiful now they are just meh.... how you go from something so amazing to something more plain and expect people to like it when they have seem what the game was capable of is beyond me

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