Wall of text about DF kick options, DF misuse, EU Language issues...

[Sub-Xero]

I know I'm going to sound like a major butthole but I kick people for "harassment" because they're harassing me with their terribleness. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harass

[Scarletyoshi]

Not being "good enough" or having "good enough gear" is not an acceptable use of the vote kick, nor should it be. That is what party finder is for.

To the naysayers, not the OP:

The rules for vote dismiss are spelled out clear as day in the Queen's English in the patch notes: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

The Vote Dismiss function has been added.
Players who are absent for extended periods or harass others can now be democratically expelled from the party.



To initiate a vote, first select Party Members from the Social section of the main menu. Next, select the party member you wish to nominate for dismissal, then Vote Dismiss from the submenu. When vote dismiss is initiated, party members will be prompted for their response. If more than half vote Yes, the player in question will be dismissed from the party.

* 4 hours must elapse since your last successful use of vote dismiss before you can initiate another. (revised 12/18/2013)
* You will be required to select a reason for dismissal. Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act.
* Please wait at least five minutes before using Vote Dismiss on a player who has logged out.

If vote dismiss was intended to be used to dismiss people you didn't like, there would have been an option for that. The only acceptable uses of vote dismiss are for "afk, dc, harassment and cheating." Any other use is abuse and should be reported as such.

And no, not being good enough is not harassment, but vote kicking people because you don't think they're good enough is.

[Sub-Xero]

Not being "good enough" or having "good enough gear" is not an acceptable use of the vote kick, nor should it be. And no, not being good enough is not harassment, but vote kicking people because you don't think they're good enough is.

There's a difference between not being "good enough" and not being good AT ALL. I don't care what you or anyone else says, if you're wasting my and the other two-six people's time in a group by not being able to perform your basic job duties, ESPECIALLY at Level 50, then you are "harassing" us. You're terribleness and thus wasting of our time is annoying and bothersome which is included in the "Queen's English" definition of the word harass. Harass: (1): to annoy persistently (2): to create an unpleasant situation by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct. I trimmed out the irrelevant (to this situation) parts of the second portion of the definition.

It's not like I vote out first timers, "under-geared" players, players that make a mistake or two or anything like that. I'll gladly explain every minute detail of a dungeon, raid, boss etc. but when it gets down to it, I can't play your job for you. And if you can't play your job and are unwilling to voluntarily leave, then myself and the others in the group have every right to vote you out and find someone else that can play your job.

[Scarletyoshi]

There's a difference between not being "good enough" and not being good AT ALL. I don't care what you or anyone else says, if you're wasting my and the other two-six people's time in a group by not being able to perform your basic job duties, ESPECIALLY at Level 50, then you are "harassing" us. You're terribleness and thus wasting of our time is annoying and bothersome which is included in the "Queen's English" definition of the word harass. Harass: (1): to annoy persistently (2): to create an unpleasant situation by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct. I trimmed out the irrelevant (to this situation) parts of the second portion of the definition.

It's not like I vote out first timers, "under-geared" players, players that make a mistake or two or anything like that. I'll gladly explain every minute detail of a dungeon, raid, boss etc. but when it gets down to it, I can't play your job for you. And if you can't play your job and are unwilling to voluntarily leave, then myself and the others in the group have every right to vote you out and find someone else that can play your job.

Queen Bey is not amused at your attempt to warp her words. That is nowhere near the accepted definition of the word "harass," not the Queen's nor Square-Enix's. If you initiate unjustified vote dismissals against other players because you don't like their playing style you are harassing them, your level of giving a care is inconsequential. It's not against the rules to be bad, it is against the rules to be a urine ejector. If you would like to impose limits on who can and cannot play in your presence, use party finder. If you're unable to find enough people willing to put up with you when they can see you coming, perhaps you have bigger problems.

[Sub-Xero]

That is nowhere near the accepted definition of the word "harass," not the Queen's nor Square-Enix's. If you would like to impose limits on who can and cannot play in your presence, use party finder.

How is that nowhere near the "accepted definition" when it came straight from Merriam-Webster? Maybe terrible people should use the Party Finder to find people that will be accepting of their complete and utter ineptitude? I mean, that's what it's there for right, to find like-minded individuals? Oh and being terrible isn't a "play style"... it's just being terrible.

[Scarletyoshi]

How is that nowhere near the "accepted definition" when it came straight from Merriam-Webster? Maybe terrible people should use the Party Finder to find people that will be accepting of their complete and utter ineptitude? I mean, that's what it's there for right, to find like-minded individuals? Oh and being terrible isn't a "play style"... it's just being terrible.

The idea that someone not being as good at something as you think they should be constitutes harassment is nowhere near the accepted definition of harassment. Nor does "being terrible" constitute harassment, unless that terribleness results from initiating unjustified vote dismiss actions against other players for reasons that are not afk, dc, harassment, or cheating.

There is no way to tell if it is on purpose or not, so its safe to assume that if he keeps being bad he/she is harassing your group and should be evicted. I'm pretty sure getting rid of someone dragging down the group is "Justified".

Not according to the quite clear definition outlined in the patch notes explaining this feature, Queen's english and everything. Her Royal Majesty Beyoncé is at the top of her field, if she had meant these words to mean what you want them to, she'd have thought of it herself.

[Xayoc]

There's a difference between not being "good enough" and not being good AT ALL. I don't care what you or anyone else says, if you're wasting my and the other two-six people's time in a group by not being able to perform your basic job duties, ESPECIALLY at Level 50, then you are "harassing" us. You're terribleness and thus wasting of our time is annoying and bothersome which is included in the "Queen's English" definition of the word harass. Harass: (1): to annoy persistently (2): to create an unpleasant situation by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct. I trimmed out the irrelevant (to this situation) parts of the second portion of the definition.

It's not like I vote out first timers, "under-geared" players, players that make a mistake or two or anything like that. I'll gladly explain every minute detail of a dungeon, raid, boss etc. but when it gets down to it, I can't play your job for you. And if you can't play your job and are unwilling to voluntarily leave, then myself and the others in the group have every right to vote you out and find someone else that can play your job.

Agreement: This one could not have stated this better.

Statement: A healer doing nothing but DPS during boss fights and causing wipes; a DPS doing less total damage than the tank; a tank that cannot hold hate off of a DPS with 15-20 iLvL of gear difference. This game is so simple to be 'decent' at a class that this one has no other way of seeing this than textbook harassment as defined above and to draw the conclusion it is done purposefully to impair the ability of the group to progress hence vote kick is 100% within intended parameters.

[Billie21]

Absolutely. If you believe the person is doing it on purpose, then you are by all means entitled to call for a vote kick on them. If not, whatever you want to call "harrasment", it's not it.

[Pikachew]

Absolutely. If you believe the person is doing it on purpose, then you are by all means entitled to call for a vote kick on them. If not, whatever you want to call "harrasment", it's not it.

There is no way to tell if it is on purpose or not, so its safe to assume that if he keeps being bad he/she is harassing your group and should be evicted. I'm pretty sure getting rid of someone dragging down the group is "Justified".

[Billie21]

There is no way to tell if it is on purpose or not, so its safe to assume that if he keeps being bad he/she is harassing your group and should be evicted. I'm pretty sure getting rid of someone dragging down the group is "Justified".

No it's not.
Someone trying to ruin people's game experience, yes.
Someone being not as good as the rest of the team, no.


Of course, you can't necessary tell for sure that a person is doing it on purpore.
A troll might pretend he's just very bad, just to mock you.
An abuser might pretend he's convinced he's being trolled just to kick someone he feels "is dragging him down" out.

There are honest people. There are dishonest people.
There are limits to what a videogame can do to prevent people from behaving inapropriately towards each other.


Just know that if your act (troll/abuser) isn't good enough, eventually, you will get punished.