Wall of text about DF kick options, DF misuse, EU Language issues...

[evilsohn]

Thanks to the OP for a well thought-out and well-argued post. While I agree with much of what he says I disagree in one key point. The basic problem seems that the OP used the wrong tool in putting together his run. He used DF rather than PF.

In Party Finder you can set your own requirements for gear, experience, play-style, whatever. If someone joins your group who does not meet your requirements you can kick him before you start the run.

In Duty Finder you go with what you get. Permitted use of the kick function is tightly limited to 4 reasons, and only those reasons: afk, cheating, dc, harassment. Being a weak player or having gear that meets SE's minimum (but in your opinion is still insufficient) are not amoung the enumerated reasons.

One can well argue that SE set the gear minimums for certain runs too low or that the promised-but-not-here-yet abandon duty vote function is needed asap. A consensual withdrawal option is also a good idea. But a word of warning (as another poster mentioned), using the vote kick for weak armour or poor (but not harassing) play are currently reportable actions and can lead to temporary suspensions or even bans.

I don't believe SE is going to broaden the permissible uses of vote kick, out of fear that it will lead to rampant abuse. In fact, I think it should be strengthened to require a majority vote of the party members rather than the majority of voters as it currently is. That is, 3/4 for small parties and 5/8 for full parties.

Again, thanks to the OP for such a thoughtful posting.

I had to make the post the way it is, since this is a very delicate issue and I didnt want to start a shitstorm

Anyway, You are absolutely right, we should have gone with Party Finder instead of Duty Finder.

True, kicking someone for a different reason than the four that are there now is illegitemate, but one might argument, that listing for a language that one cannot speak could be considered cheating. But I guess that would be stretching it a little far

Anyways thanks to everyone so far for the sensible feedback, I was expecting a lot more hate. Thank You for proving my fears wrong.

[Jeff]

The problem is, that people, espacially frensh players, are listening with languages they don't speak. I do not have a problem with that if they know the dungeon but if not and you can't even explain it to them...

[jmdatcs]

I didn't think if you were D,E you could get an F.

This may be a stupid question, but do you realize that all languages are selected by default and by clicking them in DF you are deselecting them? Maybe you deselected D,E and left yourselves with F,J?

[evilsohn]

I didn't think if you were D,E you could get an F.

This may be a stupid question, but do you realize that all languages are selected by default and by clicking them in DF you are deselecting them? Maybe you deselected D,E and left yourselves with F,J?

There are no stupid questions
But when I enter DF only E is selected and I need to select the other languages by myself - I am 100% sure about this.

[Calyanare]

There are no stupid questions
But when I enter DF only E is selected and I need to select the other languages by myself - I am 100% sure about this.

I think your defaults are set up in your Search Info. I'm not sure, but I think it might pull from the languages you have set in there.

[evilsohn]

I think your defaults are set up in your Search Info. I'm not sure, but I think it might pull from the languages you have set in there.

Sadly it does not - I have my Search info set to D and E but the DF always resets to E whenever I relog.

[rabbitzero]

The problem is, that people, espacially frensh players, are listening with languages they don't speak. I do not have a problem with that if they know the dungeon but if not and you can't even explain it to them...

I have a thing where i can understand a lot of Japanese, but especially when under stress, have a hard time feeling confident enough to speak it, much less type it. I tend to not select J on languages though unless it's low level or story dungeons, since i could do most of them in my sleep now though.

[ninthfantasy]

I pick all the language options even though I am only a J and E speaker because yes, DF takes forever if you don't. I have ended up in only F groups often, but we've managed. It's not the end all. If I simply picked J and E, the queues would go from 45 mins to probably 1 hr 45 mins... I doubt there are any J speakers on my server, so that narrows it down to just relying on E. No thanks.

[Sub-Xero]

I know I'm going to sound like a major butthole but I kick people for "harassment" because they're harassing me with their terribleness. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harass

[Scarletyoshi]

Not being "good enough" or having "good enough gear" is not an acceptable use of the vote kick, nor should it be. That is what party finder is for.

To the naysayers, not the OP:

The rules for vote dismiss are spelled out clear as day in the Queen's English in the patch notes: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

The Vote Dismiss function has been added.
Players who are absent for extended periods or harass others can now be democratically expelled from the party.



To initiate a vote, first select Party Members from the Social section of the main menu. Next, select the party member you wish to nominate for dismissal, then Vote Dismiss from the submenu. When vote dismiss is initiated, party members will be prompted for their response. If more than half vote Yes, the player in question will be dismissed from the party.

* 4 hours must elapse since your last successful use of vote dismiss before you can initiate another. (revised 12/18/2013)
* You will be required to select a reason for dismissal. Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act.
* Please wait at least five minutes before using Vote Dismiss on a player who has logged out.

If vote dismiss was intended to be used to dismiss people you didn't like, there would have been an option for that. The only acceptable uses of vote dismiss are for "afk, dc, harassment and cheating." Any other use is abuse and should be reported as such.

And no, not being good enough is not harassment, but vote kicking people because you don't think they're good enough is.