Wall of text about DF kick options, DF misuse, EU Language issues...

[evilsohn]

Yesterday my FC and I wanted to take on Titan Hard. We were short one Healer and chose the direct approach via DF. I listed our Group as E and D language.
Our first heal was poorly equiped and in his player information F was his only highlighted language.
So we thought, well, whatever, lets give it a try. After 30 mins of wiping, he asked us to kick him, as he did not want to go on (in short english). So while we were discussing if we should kick him or not in TS he simply left the party.
The next Heal we got, was even worse - he would not use his skills at the right times (like not using his AE Shield ability when Titan jumps) and collected a lot of plumes.
After the first wipe we checked his gear and were pretty shocked that a lot of his jewlery gear was lvl 42-46 Stuff.
We discussed about this in TS. We might have been able to drag him along with a lot of effort (we are not good enough yet to "farm" Titan) but would that do any good? It would mean a lot of wiping, repair costs and frustration to us and it would also mean, that this player will be able to pass titan, to now tackle Garuda Extreme through DF.
In the end we choose to kick him, but when I opened the kick window I could not find a fitting reason for kicking. There was simply afk, dc, harrassment and cheating....
The next heal was again neither E nor D speaking and underequipped, so after that we called it quits for the day and decided to do something else.

After sleeping a night over what happened yesterday and after thinking alot about what happened and what might be the reasons why this all happened, I would like to suggest a few things:

To the Devs:
please have us write an explanation why someone gets kicked when choosing harrasment or cheating. Harrasment and cheating are harsh accusations that should not be simply klicked on and pushed through. Players might find themselves unjustfully treated and it might shed a false light on players that get kicked by these two.

To the Community:
Just because you have unlocked a certain instance in the game does not automatically mean that you are ready for it. If you find yourself wiping more often than not, take some time to consider your gear. Make comparisons to the other players that are in the instance with you. Look what requirements party finder groups and shout channel groups have and try to reach those requirements before listing for these instances in DF.
I am absolutely sure, that every Instance can be done with the right combination of routine, experience and gear.

To the EU Community:
I have heard a lot of people say "well, just check J, E, D, and F - that way you do not have to wait as long in DF". Please do not follow this advice. J,E,D and F options are there for a reason. I do not want to get stuck with players that checked them all but cannot understand a word that I am typing. I only checked the languages I can understand, because I want to be able to communicate with the people I play with.
The gear requirement of some instances is as low as it is, because it can be done with the right coordination and strategy.
But it is close to impossible to coordinate and apply a strategy when no one speaks the same language.

Phew............ a wall of text, but I had to get this off my shoulders.
Just to make sure no one misunderstands this. I am neither an elitist (quite the opposite, I love helping new players on their way with advice, gear I am able to craft for free and joining them in low lev instances) nor a racist (just because I do not understand you does not mean I hate you; I am listing in only the languages in which I can communicate, please, you do the same).
I just wanted to shed light on three things, that in my opinion need improvement.

[Ri_ri]

Don't abuse the vote to kick just because you don't like their gear.
I hope SE starts taking serious action against this.

[MurakumoMillennium]

Don't abuse the vote to kick just because you don't like their gear.

So what do you do when you get somebody with gear that can essentially make a fight near impossible for you? Just wipe until you time out or they leave? Not saying you should kick them, but they are essentially wasting the time of 3-4 other people by coming severely undergeared to a fight. People should know by now that the ilvl restriction is far too low for most groups.

[Xayoc]

Don't abuse the vote to kick just because you don't like their gear.
I hope SE starts taking serious action against this.

Objection: Kicking for lack of skill/gear IS NOT against the TOS. It is simply the opinion of bads that get upset when they are kicked rather than carried through difficult content.

[Zakalwe]

Objection: Kicking for lack of skill/gear IS NOT against the TOS. It is simply the opinion of bads that get upset when they are kicked rather than carried through difficult content.

Not this again. Oh, but it is. If wishes were fishes...

[Nysneirdre]

Objection: Kicking for lack of skill/gear IS NOT against the TOS. It is simply the opinion of bads that get upset when they are kicked rather than carried through difficult content.

True. Don't let the bads use fear tactics to try to justify not removing them.

No where is it stated in their TOS, rules, etc......you cant kick someone for performance issues. Time and time again, people have asked these types to provide proof for their allegation and they come up terribly short. Most of the time they post their own personal opinions and try push that as if it were a written rule somewhere. If someone is not pulling their weight in an end game group, remove them and move on without fear of any disciplinary action being taken against your account.

To the bad players who keep getting kicked....

1. Learn your class
2. Start dodging the red reticles of death on the ground and stop eating them expecting someone to save you.
3. Start doing some research on the fights and stop winging it causing the group to wipe and wasting the other 7 players time.
4. Get some tomes and buy some gear upgrades. Stop going into these fights with the bare minimum gear and expect to be carried.
5. Do these things and start winning.

[Ri_ri]

Objection: Kicking for lack of skill/gear IS NOT against the TOS. It is simply the opinion of bads that get upset when they are kicked rather than carried through difficult content.

GJ Yoshida.

Remember your idea of allowing addons? Gearscore and vote kicking is bad enough, let's not go "full WoW" please.

[Xakthos]

Don't abuse the vote to kick just because you don't like their gear.
I hope SE starts taking serious action against this.

They won't. Lets face a basic math reality. There was a majority of people in a given group who didn't want that person there. Be it because of gear, play, haircolor... whatever. Pure cost benefit analysis says not to act simply because at worst you have a player who needs to re-queue. No lasting harm except to maybe ego as opposed to lasting financial harm taking action against the voters.

As I said before the feature got put in; realistically no support organization is going to get involved in this type of dispute other than politely taking the complaint and quietly filing it into the circular file drawer while smiling and saying 'we'll look into it'. They'd have to be insane to do otherwise.