Look what just happened in Duty !

[Pikachew]

The kick system was implemented to deal with afks and people intentionally trying to ruin runs. Contrary to popular belief, being new or mildly undergeared or even being bad is not trolling. If you don't like it, then you are welcome to leave and find a new party, but kicking someone for any of those reasons is abusing the system and subject to suspension/ban.

I don't know about you but if the tank im healing can't hold agro worth a damn he is RUINING my run.

[Krimzon]

I don't know about you but if the tank im healing can't hold agro worth a damn he is RUINING my run.

You're free to leave then and make your own party that's up to your standards instead of abusing the vote system.

[DragonFlyy]

I don't know about you but if the tank im healing can't hold agro worth a damn he is RUINING my run.

You percieve it as ruining your run, but it is not harassment or AFKing or going offline. Those are the accepted uses of the vote kick. Vote kicking someone because they can't hold aggro is not an option UNLESS they are doing it on purpose, which I'm sure the GMs can figure out if that person was using any enmity skills or not.

Wait, so... we don't have to actually perform our role in the party? And our gear doesn't matter? So if I show up naked as a healer and don't cast any heals because "You can't make me conform to your expectations of a WHM! This isn't a premade!" then nobody is allowed to kick me? Awesome. Time to go trolling-- I mean, being a super casual legitimate player who isn't bound by the expectations of you conformist elitists. Cause I only believe in using Aero and Regen. That's my playstyle.

That would fall under harassment, not playstyle. If a tank is in a party and doing all he can to try to hold aggro but the BLM relic +1 is unloading and taking aggro, it's not the tanks fault. Note: Not allowed to vote kick the BLM either though.

[Amberion]

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Just a thought here. But if you have someone in your party, that after advice given, is still the reason your party can't clear the dungeon. Isn't he griefing the rest of the party by staying?

I know that in this case they don't suck on purpose, but they and everyone in the party know it's their fault that they can't win. So shouldn't that person leave?

There is also the possibility that none of the others have played X job, so can't give advice on how to play it better.

[ispano]

Just a thought here. But if you have someone in your party, that after advice given, is still the reason your party can't clear the dungeon. Isn't he griefing the rest of the party by staying?

I know that in this case they don't suck on purpose, but they and everyone in the party know it's their fault that they can't win. So shouldn't that person leave?

There is also the possibility that none of the others have played X job, so can't give advice on how to play it better.

If it's a DF party, if you don't like the situation, you leave. You don't kick someone else. The thing is, if he's doing what he can(maybe he learns slower than others) it's not griefing in the slightest. Some people like this WILL leave, but some want to keep going and learning. Still not griefing, sorry.

[Amberion]

If it's a DF party, if you don't like the situation, you leave. You don't kick someone else. The thing is, if he's doing what he can(maybe he learns slower than others) it's not griefing in the slightest. Some people like this WILL leave, but some want to keep going and learning. Still not griefing, sorry.

Maybe griefing is not the right word. But I would say that staying and being the only thing in the way of your party clearing the dungeon, that you really should expect a kick. To me, what he/she is doing is as close to greifing you can get without stepping over the line.

Anyway, kicking someone from a party isn't harassment. For it top be that, the same people would have to do it repeatedly. Harassment isn't a one time thing.

[MikoteAstra]

Maybe griefing is not the right word. But I would say that staying and being the only thing in the way of your party clearing the dungeon, that you really should expect a kick. To me, what he/she is doing is as close to greifing you can get without stepping over the line.

Anyway, kicking someone from a party isn't harassment. For it top be that, the same people would have to do it repeatedly. Harassment isn't a one time thing.

Why in the first place do you register for duty finder solo, if you dont expect to play with new players, not so good once, random people with random skill ! Ah yes i know to abuse the sytem and play as god to kick them !
Ive been in plenty of partys in the dns, where i met meany not so good players or new once, but we took our time epxplained to them the things in dns ! Yes we died a lot and took almsot the entire time to finish it but so what, those people listen and learned ! Yeah was frustrating at some times but was a lot of fun too and i met a lot of nice people like so!

If you dont like it or you have no nerves then leave ! In the first place dont register for Duty, go make yourself a party with people witch is u to your standarts !

[Amberion]

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Not up to my standards. The dungeons standards. I have very basic standards.

I can't really tell others how to be better at tanking, since I haven't leveled up mine. So can't give advice there, but I help as best I can with boss mechanics and such.

But when you have a tank that can't keep up enough enmity for the heals he needs. And after doing a boss 12+ times. Then came the fact that us DPS had to hold back so much that we wouldn't have been able to kill it in time. Talking about AK and the dragon here.

Pillars would have been gone even if we made it that far, but usually the dragon went for the healer. Was actually impossible to kill the dragon with that tank. Maybe if the healer was geared better, one of us DPS could tank it while killing it as I have heard happening.

And then you also talked about the golden words, "listen and learned". Yes, most people do that. But you will also have people who say, "don't tell me how to play". Or just plain stay silent.

Anyway, if you after everything still knowingly holding back 3 others from completing the dungeon, then you are rude to them.

You heard it here first, if you are new and don't know what to do yet: Drop so your party doesn't have to kick you. That way you can never learn, and you can drop again next time so they don't kick you. . .

You aren't new to your job at level 50.