Wy XIV is failing as it's improved...

[weeble]

go play warhammer right now and see how shitty that game is played right now and then u'll understand my statement. didn't mean it to sound like i'm calling most players left in ffxiv lazy or just straight out dumb but i quess that is what i kinda mean.

they dumb things down in a mmo, then half the players leave cause game ain't up to par, then and now they end up dumming it down even more for the people that are left. that is what i meant if didn't understand my statement. we're on a slop downwards for challenging and entertaining content. and even then we're gonna have nothing but people complaining cause they fail dungeons and whatever else content they add.

you think they have a chance of getting back players this way?

[Wolfie]

Go play a hardcore grindan game like Aion and see how fast that one failed. Difficult has nothing to do with why games fail, but crappy features, lack of content, and bugs DO.

[weeble]

grinding isn't something that i'm saying replaces challenging. but all in all i'm talking bout the hole package of the game. lack of party play, lack of bosses in missions. lack of caped fights. lack of content in itself yes, we'll have to see how dungeons turn out cause i bet another half the servers will leave if they aren't up to par with what they was expecting.

also though grinding in party or anything in party even is part of what i mean aswell. leves even not challenging, i'm sure they will be fixed but at it's state is a joke. i'm typing this as we speak in a leve link group and it barely matters that i'm doing so lol. is just sad how unchallenging anything in the game is. the hardest part of it has been when i went and did a mini quest and it acually had rank 45 mobs in it,though the hardest part was getting to them with all the puddings in route. and even then only challenging cause i was in my botany gear and i had no moves set that i should of and was on a different class then what they were set too.

http://ealouse.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/hello-world/

[Cichy]

Bottom line, alot of the game flaws come out of the concept that they had for it. The whole designing a game for "casual player" and all the content should be accessible and attainable for that casual solo player. I'm a casual player and I dont even want that. I have no problem playing this game casually for few years and working for something slowly, I dont think others should be penalized for me though and if I want to play for a week straight hardcore it should provide me with a different experience.
I been playing TERA for over a month and I like how they designed content for both. There are actually huge zones like in 14 but there's more variety to the design and there are parts of zones intended for solo play and others for group play. There are big parts of zones that you have no business going to if you're not in a party and also you can skip going to solo part of those zones if you do have a party. I mean we dont have to have no child left behind on 14 do we?

[AreeyaJaidee]

MMOs are built for hardcore players since the beginning. Casuals don't contribute much beyond text and consistent RP sessions.

Even SE understands that...
Hardcore players offer SE longer subscriptions.

That's the reason why I personally STILL know people STILL playing FFXI since its release! They were all hardcore players and enjoyed giving the casuals something to look forward to, something to wish that they could only become.

Hardcore players deserve every bit of content a casual does AND then some, because WE are the ones that value this game for everything it is worth.

Despite what you say. Everything I mention here is the truth. We hardcore players are persistent and devoted and won't have some "part-time" MMO player tell us different.

We ARE FFXIV.

[Cichy]

The only hardcore part of FFXIV was the grind to 50 in the beginning, I dont see where SE understands that. If they understood that than the game wouldnt have been released.

[Soma]

hello all

this is my take on casual mmo's. like it or hate it. it makes sense. SE seems to be between a rock and a hard place.

http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=5347#acedb

i agree something needs to shake up the industry.

maybe SE will give this a good read.

[RabidSquirrel]

go play warhammer right now and see how shitty that game is played right now and then u'll understand my statement. didn't mean it to sound like i'm calling most players left in ffxiv lazy or just straight out dumb but i quess that is what i kinda mean.

they dumb things down in a mmo, then half the players leave cause game ain't up to par, then and now they end up dumming it down even more for the people that are left. that is what i meant if didn't understand my statement. we're on a slop downwards for challenging and entertaining content. and even then we're gonna have nothing but people complaining cause they fail dungeons and whatever else content they add.

you think they have a chance of getting back players this way?

Huh. Well with that kind of logic, WoW servers should be barren.

[weeble]

that post is like a thought in my mind soma lol, i didn't really play wow Rabidsquirrel i tried and then i ran back to ffxi after 2months even though i had 6months of paid game. i didnt hate it, but as u say wow servers should be barren ...they were. at least any low level stuff was absolutely barren. i ran into a few players to team up with that ended up being second accounts cause i never see them again. any action lasted seconds b4 was back to empty zones with solo grinding. i never made it to endgame so i can't say for that. but i bet after everyone brainlessly gets threw the too easy content, they then feel like gamers as they log in 2times a week for 4hours to listen to a group of players tell them how to win at endgame. wow did so well cause theres alot of noobs paying for accounts and gold, for every real player in that game there is probably 3 rmt in the game.

that game became a blackhole, and other mmo's are just a planet. and i probably can say it got lucky is all. and with that it is ruining all other mmo's trying to copy it. but enough with that i probably derailing the topic that this thread is about and is why ffxiv is still failing even though they keep fixing shit.

[Drunk-Bandit]

they should of learned from there last MMO and built from it, people still play that one >_>

O.o LOL I think ppl play that game alot more then XIV... including me ^^