Considered BiS for WHM?

[Enigma3468]

What do you think would be considered BiS for a WHM? I am trying to figure out what I should be shooting for and am not to sure about end game gear.

[Sebazy]

White mages will generally stack either Determination or Spell Speed as their priority secondary stat, mnd is of course valued above all else.

Follow the link to my profile to get an idea of what to aim for as a Det build, once I get the Garuda ring and allag hat I'll have my 'personal BiS' set.

[Enigma3468]

Ok Thank you.

[sharazisspecial]

I go for primary-speed secondary-det personally . Mostly due to stoneskin(which does not scale from det or crit). I have it at 2.8 cast time now. Quicker gcd and quicker stoneskin is nice to have for tank healing. But even after putting speed in nearly all slots. I only recieve a .2 cast speed reduction and a .15 gcd reduction =/.

All three secondary stats are underwhelming and not something you should worry about. Det is also quite overrated on these forums. Full build(det in every slot) gives like 30 hp to cure and 50 hp to cure 2. Heals fluctuate too so you may repeatedly "roll low" healing for 1000 instead of 1050.
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ng-calculator/
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...aling-returns/
Here are tools to show the effects of secondary stats. Doesn't show any major difference when you change stats around.

Base crit at 50 is 5% and every extra 14 crit rating is 1% crit.

[Velox]

Yes for WHM there really is no ideal secondary or tertiary stat to focus on due to how horribly they scale.

BiS for WHM is pretty much ANYTHING*iLvl 90 (most mind). As long as it has a lot of Mind, feel free to mix and match to your liking.

[GalaxyGirl]

My whm build (det/crit build)
-thyrus +1 or allagan weapon
-allagan circlet
-allagan robe
-allagan gloves
-hero's belt
-cleric pants
-cleric boots
-allagan necklace
-allagan earrings
-ifrit bracelet
-allagan ring
-Garuda ring

For my spell speed build
-allagan staff
-cleric circlet
-cleric robe
-cleric gloves
-allagan rope belt
-cleric pants
-allagan boots
-allagan neck
-Titan earrings
-allagan bracelet
-allagan ring
-Garuda ring

The reason I made a determination crit build is that I've mesmerized fights really quickly and have learned to predict things such as damage spikes, etc, so I never need speed. Even in emergencies I can usually top off anyone with just a cure 1.

I use my spell speed build when trying new content that I've never done so I can quickly react and learn patterns.

[Lorglath]

Something I went through and looked at the other day to put some hard numbers to determination vs. spell speed. Breaking it up into two posts since the forums won't let me post more than 1000 characters.

I'm using http://syncness.me/ffxiv to calculate changes to average heals based on gear change.

SS > DET > CRIT I end up with
INT: 210
MND: 497
PIE: 407
DTR: 249
CRT: 341
SPSD: 510

DET > SS > CRIT ends up with
INT: 210
MND: 497
PIE: 406
DTR: 304
CRT: 341
SPSD: 433


Basing all averages off of Cure 1

Average for SS build is 1040.34 vs 1066 for DET which translates into just a difference of just 3.8 HPS in favor of the SS build (essentially non existent)

Cast time is 1.871 seconds for SS, 1.93 for DET

Using Presence of Mind in critical moments gets 1.482 vs 1.6

[Lorglath]

Conclusions:

The difference in healing is negligible, as a WHM there is no issue with the healing output of our spells. As encounters in end game content seems to trend towards spike damage, getting a tank out of the danger zone is more important than getting an extra 25 HPs restored per cure. The big help here is remembering to use presence of mind as that's when you'll see the biggest difference between the two specs (.118 seconds). Both determination and spell speed take a huge amount to see any change at all, so it really is personally preference as far as which is better. I also think that if anything square is more likely to make spell speed builds better in the future if it's not utilized much. The 2.1 changes made this better for options now with more gear having spell speed (primal accessories)

[Slark]

I personally prefer Crit > Det > SS. Crit may not effect stoneskin, but it does effect regen, which is extremely useful. In my opinion, crit builds are the most noticeable ones. Mainly because both spell speed and det's returns are near worthless in my opinion. Having an extra 13% or more crit is a very big deal when you are spamming cure1, or regen/medica2 is ticking on possibly multiple people at once.

No encounter really requires insane constant HPS for a long enough period where DET can really shine. However, tons of encounters have big spikes of damage where crits come in handy.
Spell speeds bonus's are so small, and they will most likely get completely nullified when server/computer lag is taken into account. Also, a huge part of WHM healing is precasting cures, which when done, will cause spell speed to be 100% useless.

Some may argue that "crits are unpredictable," or that "crits only overheal," but having a crit heal during a death sentence or on double dreadnaught healing is essentially the same thing as using benediction because it allows you to completely recover from a tight spot and allow you to catch up without blowing CDs or spending a large amount of mana, and when you are spamming those heals, crits have a good chance of happening. Crits can potentially save me hundreds, if not thousands of mana per bossfight. Spell speed theoretically makes you run OOM faster, and DET's increased HPS isn't really noticeable on burst abilities like table flip or death sentence.

Also, when you are in mostly Ilvl90, or full, you will notice that regardless if you have a DET build or not, your healing numbers are well above whats required for anything. So much so, that i specced out of 30 MND in favor of Piety because it allows me to be more lax with mana and rely on ballad less often, if ever. (Also, 5k+ mana pool OP)

WHM's don't really have enmity issues now that tank aggro has been fixed, so that argument is out of the window.
It's also good to point out that crit has the best scaling in regards to Divine Seal/Fey Illumination/Convalescence. Divine seal+regen has a huge uptime, and from what i remember, my regens can crit for around 1000-1100 health with divineseal+convalesence, With pretty much a DET build, without 30MND from attributes. Take that for whatever you think it's worth.
In regards to crits overhealing: If you are crittng, and those heals are overhealing, odds are very high that increase in spell speed or det is also not doing much for you. Sure, crits pull more aggro than the other two options in this scenario, but enmity is pretty negligible at this point.

At the end of the day, all secondary stats are completely underwhelming for WHM, and none of them effect your playstyle really. If you are relying on crits to proc, saving tanks because you are technically allowed to act 0.2 seconds faster, or because you heal for 30-50 more health, something is wrong, and in those situations, i almost always have popped benediction, causing any of the three to be rather negligible, or completely useless. In my opinion, you should just get whatever ilvl90 you can get your hands on. If you are looking to level another class, I would just start spending mythology on that new class regardless of what stats your ilvl90 whm gear gives as opposed to trying to optimize for a single stat and replace ilvl90 gear that doesn't have the stat you want. Just get whatever you prefer playstyle wise if you are hellbent on customizing your whm's gear.

Differences:
Full crit build: 13% more crit or so, capping you at ~18.85% crit
Full det build: 30 more hp on cure 1, 50 more hp on cure 2 per cast.
Full SS build: ~0.2 seconds faster on your spells, and ~0.15 seconds faster on GCD.

Make your choice, you won't notice a big difference.

Also, if any WHM secondary stat gets buffed to the point where we are supposed to stack one similarly to how SCH stacks crit, IMO it will probably be spell speed if that means anything to you.
One more thing: SS builds let you use the iconic WHM myth robe, where as DET/CRIT lets you use the allagan robe instead. That could be a pretty big significance to alot of people as well. Also, Thyrus clips through WHM hood, which is really annoying.

[Airikay]

I just want to throw out that most of these calculators are low, going full Det over other stats is about 5 points per piece of gear, some more like the robe. A full Det build is way more than 30 HP on cure 1 and is more likely 60-70 if not more. I'm not full Det build and I'm already at +65 spell speed build and missing quite a few pieces of gear.