Garuda Extreme mode - no melee allowed. Thx SE.

[Zaiken]

Cool deal. I do more dmg than brd and on par with blm so your point again? Also wheel is after friction. See friction gtfo. win. Its not a hard fight. Stop trying to make everything easier by saying ranged is superior. Its not.

Actually I fight it enough to know that Wicked Wheel do not alway happen right after friction, if DPS is slow it will do it randomly in between, not jump up or after frictions. I'm not saying close range DPS do less damage then Ranged, but most do not want to take the risk of Melee DPS dying, or OT to pull it off Main Tank and kill it fast without Wicked Wheel happening in between. Calm down already.

[Jyoeru]

Cool deal. I do more dmg than brd and on par with blm so your point again? Also wheel is after friction. See friction gtfo. win. Its not a hard fight. Stop trying to make everything easier by saying ranged is superior. Its not.

Actually, a ranged group is ideal for healing, too. Cure III saves lives!

[Shokei]

It is best to do it with your FC as most PU groups will refuse to adapt their play style. They only know one strat that works for them and probably ignore the fact that more optimized strats exist depending on the team composition.

Last night, I was in a PU group where the OT didn't want to pull Suparna after Chirada dies. So as a melee I had to run to suparna/garuda NW position, but the MT wasn't even in a corner so I just had to eat the whicked wheels. This could have been avoided if we killed suparna first while melee stays on Chirada, right?

[Zumi]

I have done it both ways. With all ranged, and with 1 or 2 melee. Its definitely slower with melee vs taking all ranged. Also less prone to dps deaths and wipes.

Tornado phase is the issue here with melee, assuming MT takes Garuda and Suparna tanks NW, and OT picks up Chirada and the plume goes SE. Melee follow offtank to burn down Chirada, healers and ranged in one of the adjacent quadrants. With all ranged you can immediately target Suparna as soon as Chirada is dead no need for the OT to even pick her up off the MT. Now then if you have melee you have to wait for the OT to provoke Suparna and she has to waddle herself through tornados often moving slow sometimes stopping to slipstream, for every melee dps you have you are losing dps up time when she is being dragged across the room. On top of that it is easy for melee to die to wicked whirl and have to be very aware when it will come out and run away when it does, more dps loss.

Stacking all ranged basically takes out much of the chance a dps will die because they can just stand in their quadrant and not have to worry about getting hit by anything but friction which is easily dodged. Lets you have almost 100% dps uptime on the adds in turn giving you much more dps time on garuda. With melee there is a lot more waiting for adds getting into position after provokes.

Overall the easy way to do it is stack all ranged which is why people shout for ranged only.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I have done it both ways.With all ranged, and with 1 or 2 melee. Its definitely slower with melee vs taking all ranged. Also less prone to dps deaths and wipes.

Tornado phase is the issue here with melee, assuming MT takes Garuda and Suparna tanks NW, and OT picks up Chirada and the plume goes SE. Melee follow offtank to burn down Chirada, healers and ranged in one of the adjacent quadrants. With all ranged you can immediately target Suparna as soon as Chirada is dead no need for the OT to even pick her up off the MT. Now then if you have melee you have to wait for the OT to provoke Suparna and she has to waddle herself through tornados often moving slow sometimes stopping to slipstream, for every melee dps you have you are losing dps up time when she is being dragged across the room. On top of that it is easy for melee to die to wicked whirl and have to be very aware when it will come out and run away when it does, more dps loss.

Stacking all ranged basically takes out much of the chance a dps will die because they can just stand in their quadrant and not have to worry about getting hit by anything but friction which is easily dodged. Lets you have almost 100% dps uptime on the adds in turn giving you much more dps time on garuda. With melee there is a lot more waiting for adds getting into position after provokes.

Overall the easy way to do it is stack all ranged which is why people shout for ranged only.

and i care not. There is not a legit reason beyon slacking off to don't bring melee in garuda extreme. Shame the community.

[Emblemelite]

Our comp is:

2x PLD, 2x BRD, 2x BLM, 1x MNK, 1 WHM

and our MNK never has a problem avoiding wicked wheel while still staying with all the other DPS numbers wise, even though he loses greased from time to time.

Like others have said the problem is with the players not the mechanics, if you have an issue with groups not wanting to take melee. Make some friends, you are playing an MMO after all, go be social.

[ChaozK]

Knowing when it comes is one thing but where do you actually dodge it in the tornado phase when there is no room?
Waiting for the OT to pull suprana off the main tank is not an issue since both melees have teleports which can take you to the other side (shoulder tackle, spineshatter dive, dragonfire dive).

Also suprana definitely still uses WW after chirada is dead, she has used it many times after we downed chirada and i got over to suprana.

JP groups use a DRG as a 3rd tank to burn down Chirada.

That sounds really interesting. Where would you tank it in the tornado phase? I am assuming in the NE spot that is normally empty? Can ranged and healers still reach?

[Arkista]

Do it on my MNK and never get hit by them unless a tank wants to be dumb and run through me to grab a spiney plume.

[Rochetm]

and i care not. There is not a legit reason beyon slacking off to don't bring melee in garuda extreme. Shame the community.

I am pretty sure adding extra work for the healers, tanks and/or being lower dps would be good reasons not to being melee. I would never enter garuda em as melee if I had a ranged with even half decent gear. Time spent dodging tornadoes and WW while my buffs drop is time I could spend DPSing as ranged.

The better question is why should I add stress to my tanks and healers when I could be ranged and make the entire fight go smoother?

[NeonC]

Our monk just shoulder tackle through the tornado, plus having multiple melee lb's in this fight makes it good. It's all the same really, just people asking random people to complete tasks will always take the safest route.