you broke fates... why?

[jebali]

The fates are borked now it feels like your fighting hero level npcs. I have no clue what they did to them or who did not test this but they are horrible now. The ex is still faster then duty finder but the mobs are beyond overpowered. plus not having any fate groups option from level 0-40 stinks. To Play as a dps and que for 45 mins for a 45 min duty finder run is not a good time for my 3 hours of gameplay per day.

The major downside to this is the world feels dead now people are only in the major cities now it is like playing litch king wow again. dead world high pop cities.

[Sapphic]

The fates are borked now it feels like your fighting hero level npcs. I have no clue what they did to them or who did not test this but they are horrible now. The ex is still faster then duty finder but the mobs are beyond overpowered. plus not having any fate groups option from level 0-40 stinks. To Play as a dps and que for 45 mins for a 45 min duty finder run is not a good time for my 3 hours of gameplay per day.

The major downside to this is the world feels dead now people are only in the major cities now it is like playing litch king wow again. dead world high pop cities.

Must be your shard then, as on Odin see multiple shouts LFM 7/8 FATE party. Just that now, between leves in Coerthas and Dungeons was able to jump into FATEs more than 10 seconds after they started and still get gold solo.

Even did a FATE with 3-4 other people after the pack had killed the big dragon, we pulled one or two at a time, burnt em, rinse/repeat. FATE complete. and it was a helluva lot more fun than spamming one button in the middle of them. How anyone finds spamming blizz 2, spamming Flash or dot-tab-dot-tab-dot-tab any fun whatsover I have no idea how. I felt braincells dieing when I tried it with BLM :S

But not everyone likes challenge in any form. Don't like to test themselves or push themselves to get better. Then when they get hit by a modicum amount of content that actually pushes them, instead of adapting they come and whine about it on the forums.

[Insidious]

blah blah blah

What challenge are you talking about? All they did was ramp up the way it scales and if the prior group before you was larger, you have no hope to complete the fate. What are you testing by being there with 1 or 2 people slowly killing mobs other than your patience?

[Sapphic]

blah blah blah

I can do that too ^_^

The challenge that mobs actually hurt you now, that you can actually fail. That you need to press more than 1 button and learn your rotation. That tanks have to tank, healers heal and DPS, you know, focus mobs.

Or you think standing where the FATE mobs spawn spamming 1 button is fun?

As I said as an example. we cleared a FATE easily after the Dragon FATE in Coerthas was killed. The fate spawned after and the Dragon was zerged. So, unless you try them with 1 button spammers then no, you don't "have no hope to complete the fate". Even if you do fail you still a good whack of xp. Also if it was as big an issue as you say there would be numerous posts complaining about it. Just checked FATEs section of the forums. Guess what? No real complaing, except from you.

SE fixed FATES and broke the whiners.

[Insidious]

yada yada yada i'm better than you ur bad stop whining working as intended yada yada yada

The fact that little to no one does fates now can't be possibly intended, and if it is it's completely utterly stupid. There are plenty of people "complaining" as you call it, but have no use for people like you who wear rose tinted goggles and believe that everything is fine. Fate mobs could hurt you before, now with scaling it ramps up their damage to the point that if you are a dps class, you're probably screwed. Sure, you can tank the mobs and take little damage, but then you aren't going to get anywhere. Same with healers, except if the mob was scaled up so high due to the prior fate group you'll get blown up. Oh I know, let's form a party to kill the mobs...wait, then you can't queue up for DF at the same time which is going to relegate you to less xp/hr. Max level is the ultimate goal in this game, as the game opens up at 50. Extending that period by lowering the amount of xp you get from fates, rendering fates/fate groups dead, and not really doing much for a dps queue is stupid. It's going to lead to people leaving the game because you are forced to grind longer than what you previously were doing to get to level 50. Let's leave aside from people trolling you in DF not accepting it, or just plain going afk or w/e else in the dungeon. Either you have not done enough fates to form a properly subjective opinion, or you have such thick rose colored glasses you are blind to the ineptitude.

Also, if people such as yourself are content with what they deem as whiners leaving the game, then so be it. Enjoy the game what other people deem as broken or untested alone because there are other things to do anyway.

[Sapphic]

The fact that little to no one does fates now can't be possibly intended,snip

So you are scared you might actually fail a FATE, that you actually have to play your role to complete a FATE that you can't spam one button to complete a FATE to finish in seconds and mindlessly roll over the next one. You are making an overall assumption that no-one is doing FATES yet when I travel around the world I see FATE parties running around clearing them and/or looking for 1 or 2 members.

You state little to no-one is doing FATEs yet you also say that they are scaling up so "no-one" is able to complete them. If, as you say, no-one is doing FATEs then they will be as easy as they were before and you clear them as easy as pre 2.1 as they wont be scaling.

you sound confused here if you want to do this you can do it all you want it has been in game since launch it is called the Duty Finder

It was in reference to "editing" my post when quoted to blah blah blah. For jobs I'm levelling I mix it up with it all, Low level roulette+Guild hest Roulette, specific dungeons, battle leves and GC leves, beastman dailies. and FATEs.

One thing I can agree with that has been mentioned is that you should be able to que solo whilst in a party for DF and/or even with your chocobo companion summoned.

[jebali]

I can do that too ^_^
SE fixed FATES and broke the whiners.

you sound confused here if you want to do this you can do it all you want it has been in game since launch it is called the Duty Finder

we are talking about fates being set to high so people no longer group for them turning this game into a bunch of people sitting in a city waiting on the duty finder.
Thus killing the feeling of this world being bigger then the main 3 cities.
If you are fine with duty finder go for it, No one here said anything about nerfing duty finder.

We want fates to go back to before 2.1 so people have a choice on how to level.
If they would let you replay lower level missions I would do that instead of both of these options myself but I do not see that coming ever.

[ZephyrAM]

you sound confused here if you want to do this you can do it all you want it has been in game since launch it is called the Duty Finder

we are talking about fates being set to high so people no longer group for them turning this game into a bunch of people sitting in a city waiting on the duty finder.
Thus killing the feeling of this world being bigger then the main 3 cities.
If you are fine with duty finder go for it, No one here said anything about nerfing duty finder.

We want fates to go back to before 2.1 so people have a choice on how to level.
If they would let you replay lower level missions I would do that instead of both of these options myself but I do not see that coming ever.

I don't see Sapphic mentioning Duty Finder anywhere... and I looked, as I was somewhat confused.

There's nothing wrong with people leveling off FATE's, nothing at all. What is wrong is FATE's ending in 10 seconds because they don't scale up high enough, and that everyone's goal in the FATE is just to tag everything for enough damage to get credit. Nobody cares what's going on in the FATE, because nobody needs to: just do enough to get credit.

This all strikes me as poor design, hence why they're trying to fix it. I'm not going to say that they've succeeded, but better then just leaving things as they were.

[jebali]

zephyr I agree with you

they could have fixed it but they did the reverse. on many threads people offered way to fix these such as.

1 Adding a boss to the fates mid high low level bosses so that all classes get the credit

2 increasing the npc spawns by the speed that they are killed(longer fates so more get credit)

3 leaving the turn in item fate npc up for 1 min after it ends so everyone can turn in items and get credit.

and many other great ideas but instead we got npcs at coil level hp and a empty world outside the cities now.
I do not see a reason they could not add the extra duty finder xp and do any of the things people suggested since beta.

[jebali]

What challenge are you talking about? All they did was ramp up the way it scales and if the prior group before you was larger, you have no hope to complete the fate. What are you testing by being there with 1 or 2 people slowly killing mobs other than your patience?

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