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  1. #11
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    silentwindfr's Avatar
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    Florence Leduc
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    a dead DD it's a DD useless, a DD that take too much damage and burn your healer mana it's useless DD, a DD that burn him TP and are unable to dps it's useless too...

    the damage output is not everything. a DD jobs is far more than simply big number on a parseer.... do you need BFB, depend of the fight, some fight it's at avoid, because you will take damage and it will jeopardize your survivability. on other fight, where you have large time, where.... normally...you don't take it, you can use it and must use it.

    anyway, you need invigorate then you can grab BFB on the way, however it will depend of you and only you to know when you can or cannot use it.
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  2. #12
    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    a dead DD it's a DD useless, a DD that take too much damage and burn your healer mana it's useless DD, a DD that burn him TP and are unable to dps it's useless too...

    the damage output is not everything. a DD jobs is far more than simply big number on a parseer.... do you need BFB, depend of the fight, some fight it's at avoid, because you will take damage and it will jeopardize your survivability. on other fight, where you have large time, where.... normally...you don't take it, you can use it and must use it.

    anyway, you need invigorate then you can grab BFB on the way, however it will depend of you and only you to know when you can or cannot use it.
    Just because you have it, doesn't mean you must use it whenever its up. In some fights, there's certain times when you just shouldn't/can't BFB...but there are times in every fight where you can, and should, use it.
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  3. #13
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    Shirai's Avatar
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    Character
    Shirai N'yankoro
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 60
    1. Know when and when not to use it.
    This basically boils down to knowing mob/boss behaviour.

    2. Know how to dodge.
    See 1.
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    Felis catus

  4. #14
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    duceTRE's Avatar
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    Character
    Zell Dinch't
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 90
    If you don't use it, you lose it.
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  5. #15
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    Jahaudant's Avatar
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    Jahaudant Rivea
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Don't MNK have worse TP issues than DRG at high ilevels? They need Invigorate in long fights or they get to sit and AA for a while...which is not a good thing for a DPS

    10% extra damage is 10% extra damage. Every little bit matters.
    Did you just take my suggestion to use Keen Flurry seriously?
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  6. #16
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    Tilgung's Avatar
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    Raein Tilgung
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 60
    Did you just ask if someone thought someone was stupid enough to actually suggest something like that on these forums?
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  7. #17
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    Character
    Supply Demand
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 72
    Sorry, I framed my question improperly. I absolutely fully intend to get BFB, my question was one of prioritization.

    My monk is only 43, but has a relic oil, 1110 mytho, a full suit of DL + CT helm waiting (and garuda claws but who cares) - which obviously isn't that great. I can do EX Primals, Ultima, Coil, CT, and farm Myth with my finite play time each week to make him more powerful, or I can spend 2 days getting LNC to 34 for BFB. My assumption was that my time was better spent doing those things until I get closer to my glass ceiling (coil group limitations, weekly caps) as opposed to spending my time leveling LNC and potentially not getting one of those things done in the coming weeks (probably would skip EX Primals/Ultima).

    I am not and will not be a lazy dps that doesn't do the right things because its a pain : D Obviously a 10% damage increase on CD is great, and I can see the applications overlaying that with other abilities (or not) already.
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  8. #18
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    Nexxus's Avatar
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    Lyon
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    Character
    Yoko Ceres
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Turn 1: Use it everytime it's up
    Turn 2: on the random ADS, but not for the boss.
    Turn 3: Use it.. whatever...
    Turn 4: At start when AoE so it's up on the mid-boss at midfight after the soldiers. Then whenever it's up except at the end on last mob to avoid AoE.
    Turn 5: on Prison and Twintania. Try to have it up for the giant snake boss.

    Garuda: Use it often
    Titan: Depending on your latency, mostly on adds too (Extreme) (i'd rather not use it at all on Titan).
    Ifrit: On Pillars

    One things to know also, is when to remove the effect.
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    Il est possible de dépassé la limite des 1ooo caractères, il suffit d'éditer son post ~

  9. #19
    Player
    valho's Avatar
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    Character
    Vita Rena
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 70
    Get your lancer to 34 and get B4B it's a good dps skill, you can avoid taking the extra damage by using B4B together with defensive skill like keen flurry or featherfoot. You can always right click to turn off the buff when you know there is going to be incoming damage, but you should have no problem surviving unavoidable damage with the buff on unless you take unnecessary avoidable damage.
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  10. #20
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    Thorauku's Avatar
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    Character
    Yvaine Isaulde
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    Turn 4: At start when AoE so it's up on the mid-boss at midfight after the soldiers. Then whenever it's up except at the end on last mob to avoid AoE.
    Last time I check, MNKs have a similar defensive attributes. or even higher than BRDs, and yet, I don't seem to have any problem or give a problem to our Healers when I pop up BfB during the last phase of T4.
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